Fire AA

I wouldn't go as far as Cy, but Anthopoulos is not above criticism and those of us who have even ventured mildly found fault with some of his moves usually find ourselves deluged with pushback from his most ardent fans. He inherited a superlative core of players from the previous three front offices and built on that to form a serious contender. He rolled hot dice at the 2021 deadline, which led to the World Series win, but I think a case can be made that he was throwing sh*t at the wall with those moves.

When he took the job, he clearly said he wasn't going to run things the way he did with the Blue Jays, but that is precisely what he's done. The minor league system is clearly in the bottom third of major league teams and a case can be made that it's in the bottom two or three. He's used a lot of depth that was built up (some of it by himself and the current scouting a player development group) to land some key contributors and maybe that works and maybe it doesn't. We really won't know until we know.

The team-friendly deals for a lot of the guys deemed as core players are a double-edged sword. They buy out arbitration years, but the long-term costs have to be averaged into the annual determination of the luxury tax thresholds and that limits flexibility. Further, the deals are based on assumptions that the players will continue to perform at the levels projected when the contract was signed. In some cases, I thought the deals were really premature, but again, we won't know about the strategy until things actually play out. That said, Anthopoulos clearly started a trend as we see more and more teams sign their top prospects to long-term deals, some of them even before they have taken a regular season at-bat in the major leagues.

I (and a couple of others) have been p*ssing and moaning about the draft and development process. There have been some notable successes under the current regime and one aspect of the strategy has been to draft pitching and then trade it for developed assets and that has worked to some extent and if we make a move at the deadline, it's likely to include some of the recently-drafted college pitchers going the other way. Anthopoulos inherited a terrible situation on the international front, but his premier signings since the penalties were lifted have not done well. Again, too early to really tell how some of these guys will turn into as players and one doesn't know if it is due to miscalculation by the scouting staff or less-than-stellar instruction. I agree with some above who posted that the current mindset seems to challenge guys and push them up the system rapidly. I've been critical of that, but no one has ever paid me to provide baseball instruction or assess players, so my criticisms may rightfully fall on deaf ears. There were no domestic draft penalties directly tied to the international sanctions, but they did lose a third-round pick in 2018 due to the offer of a new pick-up truck to Drew Waters.

Someone mentioned the issues surrounding Freeman's departure. I've been a lonely voice on this, but I am of the opinion that Anthopoulos preferred Olson to Freeman all along (for a variety of reasons and some of them based on solid reasoning) and that he played out the string with Freeman in order to not look like the bad guy when Freeman departed. Given the timing of the Olson deal, I have to think that was already in place before the Freeman negotiatoins fell apart. Both sides share blame for the final outcome, but Anthopoulos has largely avoided criticism. I'm not going to get into the Olson/Freeman comparisons because we're less than halfway through the deals.

Anyway, Anthopoulos isn't getting fired. If the team totally falls on its face as the season rolls on, I think Snitker is out if not during the season, then right away in the off-season. There will likely be a corresponding shake-up throughout the system. Anthopoulos has a lot of money to play with this off-season and those moves will likely determine his long-term future. This is a good team, but the near-total lack of depth has shown up and there may have been some faulty assumptions about the continued level of performance of some of the guys signed to long-term deals.
 
None of this explains why more than two-thirds of the hitters on this team do not have basic pitch recognition.

It's 2 months guy. Everyone was nutting all over themselves about the offense this time last year. People still weren't convinced Ozuna was any good this time a year ago. Give it some time.

Odds are the offense will come around. Hopefully we can find some stability in the back of the rotation so that we aren't punting every 5th day.
 
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There have definitely been some face plants recently. Olson was a god last year but Freeman will be a better hitter longer. The Murphy trade looks worse every day and has to count as a major mistake.

We’re already seeing some of the risk in locking up the core the way he did. Have Riley and Harris actually regressed this much? Will Ronald be the same player? Will Strider? Are Olson and Murphy going to age more quickly than planned?

Im inclined to believe this is just a strange year so far and most of these guys will return to form either eventually this year or next. But everything certainly sucks right now.
 
None of this explains why more than two-thirds of the hitters on this team do not have basic pitch recognition.


Shot in the dark here. Pitch recognition is hard. Players that are good at it tend to be all stars. Players that dont tend to be Jeff Francoeur. Its not as simple as just teaching it to people. It takes time and experience. People like Acuna and Juan Soto are just freaks of nature.
 
Fans during the offseason - "hey AA we need some SP Fried is leaving soon"

AA aquires an ace and mid rotation SP on multi year deals severely under market rate.


Fans during the season - "Fire AA"



The dude worked voodoo magic to get us two great SP on the cheap and people want to fire AA because our two best players got hurt and several players with good track records for hitting had a bad first half. AA is the reason we are several games over .500 right now instead of being the NL version of the Astros.
 
Fans during the offseason - "hey AA we need some SP Fried is leaving soon"

AA aquires an ace and mid rotation SP on multi year deals severely under market rate.


Fans during the season - "Fire AA"



The dude worked voodoo magic to get us two great SP on the cheap and people want to fire AA because our two best players got hurt and several players with good track records for hitting had a bad first half. AA is the reason we are several games over .500 right now instead of being the NL version of the Astros.

He's also got us in a position where Duvall has to face rhp, and he has a -28 wrc+
 
Fans during the offseason - "hey AA we need some SP Fried is leaving soon"

AA aquires an ace and mid rotation SP on multi year deals severely under market rate.


Fans during the season - "Fire AA"



The dude worked voodoo magic to get us two great SP on the cheap and people want to fire AA because our two best players got hurt and several players with good track records for hitting had a bad first half. AA is the reason we are several games over .500 right now instead of being the NL version of the Astros.

Agree with all of this.
 
He's also got us in a position where Duvall has to face rhp, and he has a -28 wrc+


I am glad the mistake he made is the one most easily correctable in that LF is the easiest spot to pick up a decent hitter in a trade mid season. Even if you are upset with AA he atleast deserves to see how the season plays out. We ARE 7 games over .500 not under. If they dont return to glory and limp their way into the playoffs and win the WC and DS rounds it would actually be a more successful year than the previous two. The Phillies made the world series as a third place team. The season is a rollercoaster and you want to jump off 40% of the way through because everythings not going according to plan.
 
I am glad the mistake he made is the one most easily correctable in that LF is the easiest spot to pick up a decent hitter in a trade mid season. Even if you are upset with AA he atleast deserves to see how the season plays out. We ARE 7 games over .500 not under. If they dont return to glory and limp their way into the playoffs and win the WC and DS rounds it would actually be a more successful year than the previous two. The Phillies made the world series as a third place team. The season is a rollercoaster and you want to jump off 40% of the way through because everythings not going according to plan.

nothing is as easy as it seems.. there is the 3rd tier lux tax threshold that the team is up against. It should have been considered before it got to Duvfail having to play everyday. There were clear players that could have been had.. heck Pilar wanted to stay in ATL but wasn't even considered. If playing time is the problem then as the leader of the org, he should sit Twit down and explain load management to him in very small words so he doesn't get too confused.
 
It would be nice to have a whole team of all stars. Of course Duvall hitting wouldnt be that big of an issue if our all stars were hitting like all stars to begin with.
 
There is nothing wrong inherently with criticizing AA. I'm not ready to for him to be fired yet, but his missteps...miscalculated moves aren't above reproach. His most ardent supporters know he got us a more recent world series. That's cool and not to be taken lightly, but 50 laid it out perfectly for those who read without bias. He's gotta fix this. And the farm system is about barren. The rush job on the pitchers is puzzling and could affect the development of the younger pitchers.

Ultimately, I don't expect this team to play like this all year. Trade deadline will be challenging for sure. I'm letting this play out before Invoking my true thoughts.
 
nothing is as easy as it seems.. there is the 3rd tier lux tax threshold that the team is up against. It should have been considered before it got to Duvfail having to play everyday. There were clear players that could have been had.. heck Pilar wanted to stay in ATL but wasn't even considered. If playing time is the problem then as the leader of the org, he should sit Twit down and explain load management to him in very small words so he doesn't get too confused.

We still have some room to add players and stay under the threshold. Especially if the other team is kicking in cash.
 
There is nothing wrong inherently with criticizing AA. I'm not ready to for him to be fired yet, but his missteps...miscalculated moves aren't above reproach. His most ardent supporters know he got us a more recent world series. That's cool and not to be taken lightly, but 50 laid it out perfectly for those who read without bias. He's gotta fix this. And the farm system is about barren. The rush job on the pitchers is puzzling and could affect the development of the younger pitchers.

Ultimately, I don't expect this team to play like this all year. Trade deadline will be challenging for sure. I'm letting this play out before Invoking my true thoughts.

I didn't go back and edit, but after I posted I thought about how Anthopoulos has bought out arbitration years on guys while at the same time starting the service time clock on some guys who don't appear to be ready. In the whole scheme of the game's modern finances, maybe that doesn't matter, but it seems counterintuitive to me.
 
The decisions to call these guys up, specifically AJSS, Schwellenbach, and Waldrep, before they’re dominating the minors consistently is definitely head-scratching. I defended the AJSS move, but the more they keep doing it and the guys keep flopping, the more questionable these decisions become. It doesn’t seem to be working out very well..
 
The decisions to call these guys up, specifically AJSS, Schwellenbach, and Waldrep, before they’re dominating the minors consistently is definitely head-scratching. I defended the AJSS move, but the more they keep doing it and the guys keep flopping, the more questionable these decisions become. It doesn’t seem to be working out very well..
The talent of those guys is evident. The cerebral part, putting hitters away with 2 strikes, how to win with less than good stuff, etc...all need to be developed. As is, the Braves are grooming a bunch of long relievers you don't want facing lineups a 3rd time.

Anywho, it looks like the Braves would be better off with the Elders of the world. But that's...a 50/50 proposition. I do think a young starter can learn in the majors...but this team is spiraling. I don't know if they can afford to let the kids learn on the job and win the division/wild card.
 
So i guess every prospect that comes up and doesnt do a Maddux should be called a flop. Sounds aboit right.
 
So i guess every prospect that comes up and doesnt do a Maddux should be called a flop. Sounds aboit right.

That’s quite a leap you’ve made there.

I think it’s fair to want to see pitchers be consistently effective in the minors before calling them up, especially when they’re really young. There hasn’t even been a single good start between all three of them when called up.
 
I think the point is that elder could provide this level of suckage and not start the clock on the few prospect the Braves have. Let them succeed or flame out in AAA and just let Elder or Hootie suck at MLB. The team is either going to score 10 and win regardless of who is throwing or 2 and lose regardless of who is throwing.
 
That’s quite a leap you’ve made there.

I think it’s fair to want to see pitchers be consistently effective in the minors before calling them up, especially when they’re really young. There hasn’t even been a single good start between all three of them when called up.

You said they keep flopping as they’re called up. Propects do struggle most of the time when called up. Look at Jackson Holliday. Dominated the minors and was terrible called up. It happens and none of them are sure things but they guys all need alot more than 1 start in the majors.
 
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