Fire AA

50PoundHead said:
That clearly wasn't the point of any of the critiques of the decision to call up the aforementioned guys.
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The Braves are built to win now so when you have 2-3 really good pitching prospects that can help the team and they are in the upper minors why not give them a chance to see what they can do for 3-5 starts?
 
Deester11 said:
The talent of those guys is evident. The cerebral part, putting hitters away with 2 strikes, how to win with less than good stuff, etc...all need to be developed. As is, the Braves are grooming a bunch of long relievers you don't want facing lineups a 3rd time.

Anywho, it looks like the Braves would be better off with the Elders of the world. But that's...a 50/50 proposition. I do think a young starter can learn in the majors...but this team is spiraling. I don't know if they can afford to let the kids learn on the job and win the division/wild card.
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I know the service clock rules have changed recently. Maybe I am missing something, But is when their clock starts all that relevant if they aren't on the 26 man roster? They can't accrue service time in AAA.

There is also the growing data analysis that shows a pitcher's "stuff" peaks before age 25. So maybe AA's thinking is that we need to get as much value out of these guys before their stuff starts to decline. Not many pitchers age like Charlie, Sale, etc.
 
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Hudson2 said:
The Braves are built to win now so when you have 2-3 really good pitching prospects that can help the team and they are in the upper minors why not give them a chance to see what they can do for 3-5 starts?
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Given the current rotation of Fried, Sale, Lopez, and Morton, you're only talking abou the 5th starter, who is someone that probably won't be a factor in the post-season. Granted, they may be in a fight for a playoff position this year (though unlikely) and the team can't afford to ditch any games, but bringing up Smith-Shawver--someone who was extremely inexperienced as a pitcher with less than 100 post-high school innings) last year when they were cruising to the division title made zero sense.

Schwellenbach makes some sense because they have to make a 40-man roster decision about him after this year, but there is no need to start the clock on Waldrep, even though he's more experienced than Smith-Shawver was (and still is). These guys are all on the 40-man now and if you have to make a move later to bring someone in, you can't afford to move any of them.

Service time only accrues to days on the 26-man or being on the IL while on the 26-man. It may or may not matter in the larger scheme of things, but I just see it as a waste of flexibility the team might need.

As for pitchers peaking at age 25, maybe if teams concentrated more on pitching instead of throwing during the development phase, guys' arms wouldn't be toast by their late-20s. This isn't just happening with the Braves as there is an epidemic throughout the league. A ton of blown-out arms in the low minors because teams are dead set on increasing velocity before the prospect has matured physically.
 
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Hudson2 said:
You said they keep flopping as they’re called up. Propects do struggle most of the time when called up. Look at Jackson Holliday. Dominated the minors and was terrible called up. It happens and none of them are sure things but they guys all need alot more than 1 start in the majors.
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They do keep flopping. They called up AJSS last year despite not being consistently dominant in the majors and being very young. I don’t think they’re busts because they didn’t have instant success, but using AJSS and Waldrep when they did deserves questioning. 50 made a good point about SS.
 
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Look at this. Why are they smiling? Are they not frustrated with how they’re playing? What kind of GM who is supposedly “the best in the game”would allow this to happen? Between this and allowing Acuña to run rampant and Snitker to continue napping during games, it’s clear that AA has no concept of accountability or leadership. No, it’s becoming more obvious by the day that Freeman and Washington were the real leaders of this organization. AA is just along for the ride.
 
CyYoung31 said:
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Look at this. Why are they smiling? Are they not frustrated with how they’re playing? What kind of GM who is supposedly “the best in the game”would allow this to happen? Between this and allowing Acuña to run rampant and Snitker to continue napping during games, it’s clear that AA has no concept of accountability or leadership. No, it’s becoming more obvious by the day that Freeman and Washington were the real leaders of this organization. AA is just along for the ride.
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The Andruw influence is apparent. They don't care about being in second place. That's why Andruw settled for 2nd place in MVP voting in 2005 instead of winning it.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Shot in the dark here. Pitch recognition is hard. Players that are good at it tend to be all stars. Players that dont tend to be Jeff Francoeur. Its not as simple as just teaching it to people. It takes time and experience. People like Acuna and Juan Soto are just freaks of nature.
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Most of these guys are veterans who have been playing long enough now.
 
CyYoung31 said:
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Look at this. Why are they smiling? Are they not frustrated with how they’re playing? What kind of GM who is supposedly “the best in the game”would allow this to happen? Between this and allowing Acuña to run rampant and Snitker to continue napping during games, it’s clear that AA has no concept of accountability or leadership. No, it’s becoming more obvious by the day that Freeman and Washington were the real leaders of this organization. AA is just along for the ride.
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Your mom's house is on the way to Baltimore
 
The Chosen One said:
The Andruw influence is apparent. They don't care about being in second place. That's why Andruw settled for 2nd place in MVP voting in 2005 instead of winning it.
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Another example of a foreigner moving here and exerting his influence in order to make this region more like his, instead of just moving back home. AA is another. Is this the kind of GM we want going forward?
 
I'm certainly not in the camp of firing AA. I think he's a good GM with a track record to back it up. He's well respected around baseball. But these next few weeks, he's got some decisions to make in regards to this team. And many around baseball will be interested to see what he does. We know what he did in 2021 and how that season ended up. It's a bit different this time around. With the way things are going and how the roster is constructed after the injuries, may have to trade a higher rated prospect. Whether it be Waldrep, Schellenbach, Ritchie, or Murphy, it will likely be required this time around.

I trust Alex, but this is a must win trade period for him and the Braves.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
I'm certainly not in the camp of firing AA. I think he's a good GM with a track record to back it up. He's well respected around baseball. But these next few weeks, he's got some decisions to make in regards to this team. And many around baseball will be interested to see what he does. We know what he did in 2021 and how that season ended up. It's a bit different this time around. With the way things are going and how the roster is constructed after the injuries, may have to trade a higher rated prospect. Whether it be Waldrep, Schellenbach, Ritchie, or Murphy, it will likely be required this time around.

I trust Alex, but this is a must win trade period for him and the Braves.
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It's almost exactly the same situation as 2021.
 
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