First Former President to Accuse FBI of Planting Information

mqt said:
I mean, I could link you to the Mueller Report if you want, but that seems a bit unnecessary.
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I've read most of it. Nothing that convincing especially when you consider many of the investigators were Clinton people.
 
mqt said:
The problem is that you’re claiming with minimal evidence that your interpretation of each of those examples are definitely the reality, which is where the circular logic comes from. You claim to be thinking critically instead of being a sheep, but you’re just accepting the inverse of what people on the Left are accepting. In reality, there are a ton of unanswered questions and some nuance that neither side is willing to accept. If you believe Russian collusion was 100% disproven and Trump and his team did nothing improper, you’re ignoring evidence. If a Leftist thinks Putin and Trump personally colluded to win the 2016 election, they’re ignoring evidence as well. We’re talking about situations that are somehow both complex and vague, yet everyone is convinced they have the full story and the other side is lying.
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Uh oh - Here comes the "POLLING DATA" angle as if that wasn't Manafort doing what Manafort has done his whole career and the fact that polling data is irrelevant compared to information you can get from social media.
 
Or maybe you believe impropriety based on Trump talking about the wikileaks data dump as if he was just supposed to ignore revelations that the whole game is rigged.
 
Garmel said:
I've read most of it. Nothing that convincing especially when you consider many of the investigators were Clinton people.
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I’m not asking you to be convinced. What I’m challenging is the notion that Trump and his side’s interpretation of the report must automatically be correct. You can think it was all a bunch of lies made up by people who hate Trump all you want, but you don’t get to also declare yourself the correct side and call Democrats a bunch of naive idiots if they don’t agree.
 
mqt said:
I’m not asking you to be convinced. What I’m challenging is the notion that Trump and his side’s interpretation of the report must automatically be correct. You can think it was all a bunch of lies made up by people who hate Trump all you want, but you don’t get to also declare yourself the correct side and call Democrats a bunch of naive idiots if they don’t agree.
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Okay, what's in the report that you find damning?
 
thethe said:
Uh oh - Here comes the "POLLING DATA" angle as if that wasn't Manafort doing what Manafort has done his whole career and the fact that polling data is irrelevant compared to information you can get from social media.
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Manafort apparently being a career criminal doesn’t absolve the Trump campaign of misdeeds he did while acting as the Campaign Manager.

As you know, I’m not a big Trump-Russia guy. I just don’t see how it’s a great defense to say that the campaign official implicated in it was a criminal or that the data that was shared wasn’t good enough. I’m not saying that Trump and Russia stole the election. I’m saying that arguing the whole thing was a baseless hoax is also extreme.
 
mqt said:
Manafort apparently being a career criminal doesn’t absolve the Trump campaign of misdeeds he did while acting as the Campaign Manager.

As you know, I’m not a big Trump-Russia guy. I just don’t see how it’s a great defense to say that the campaign official implicated in it was a criminal or that the data that was shared wasn’t good enough. I’m not saying that Trump and Russia stole the election. I’m saying that arguing the whole thing was a baseless hoax is also extreme.
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Yes - A career shady person used their current position for their own personal benefit. Not sure why people are shocked by this and that incident alone literally has nothing to do with the greater narrative. Manafort was dumped to be never heard of again within the Trump orbit.
 
Garmel said:
Okay, what's in the report that you find damning?
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I don’t find a whole lot damning. What I do find questionable is the relationship between Roger Stone and Wikileaks, the Manafort stuff, the Trump Tower meeting and the McGahn obstruction stuff.

None of this definitively means that Trump broke the law. But if you can look at all of that and scream that everyone was completely innocent and Trump was the victim of a witch hunt, I think you’re making a purposeful choice to ignore some information.
 
mqt said:
I don’t find a whole lot damning. What I do find questionable is the relationship between Roger Stone and Wikileaks, the Manafort stuff, the Trump Tower meeting and the McGahn obstruction stuff.

None of this definitively means that Trump broke the law. But if you can look at all of that and scream that everyone was completely innocent and Trump was the victim of a witch hunt, I think you’re making a purposeful choice to ignore some information.
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What do you think a 4+ year unlimited funded investigation would yield on any politician?
 
thethe said:
Yes - A career shady person used their current position for their own personal benefit. Not sure why people are shocked by this and that incident alone literally has nothing to do with the greater narrative. Manafort was dumped to be never heard of again within the Trump orbit.
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Had you never heard of Donald Trump prior to 2015?
 
thethe said:
What do you think a 4+ year unlimited funded investigation would yield on any politician?
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99% of the time it would find a lot. Politicians are largely awful. So what makes Trump a special crusader for justice?
 
mqt said:
99% of the time it would find a lot. Politicians are largely awful. So what makes Trump a special crusader for justice?
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Trump has been saying the same things for decades and has been Pro-America. He isn't just someone who became a politician to seek personal fame or fortune. That matters.
 
The Marla Maples years (which entertainingly included running multiple casinos into the ground and extravagantly overpaying for an airline and also running it into the ground) were my introduction to the great man. Sadly I have not had reason to change the conclusions I reached during those years. Once a ****ing moron always a ****ing moron, as Rex Tillerson and others have attested.
 
nsacpi said:
The Marla Maples years (which entertainingly included running multiple casinos into the ground and extravagantly overpaying for an airline and also running it into the ground) were my introduction to the great man. Sadly I have not had reason to change the conclusions I reached during those years. Once a ****ing moron always a ****ing moron, as Rex Tillerson and others have attested.
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And yet somehow in the face of unprecedented globalist resistance he was the best results based president in 100 years.
 
nsacpi said:
The Marla Maples years (which entertainingly included running multiple casinos into the ground and extravagantly overpaying for an airline and also running it into the ground) were my introduction to the great man. Sadly I have not had reason to change the conclusions I reached during those years. Once a ****ing moron always a ****ing moron, as Rex Tillerson and others have attested.
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Running into the ground? LOL! Guy's a billionaire and many ventures don't work out. Did you see all of the bankruptcies that Sam Walton had?

For an idiot he outperformed the last couple of democrat presidents by a mile, foreign and domestic.
 
Garmel said:
For an idiot he outperformed the last couple of democrat presidents by a mile, foreign and domestic.
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You don't understand. Results don't matter to people like BL. Peoples lives improving doesn't matter to people like BL.

His personal emotional state is all that matters to him.
 
But just remember guys - BL is a morally sound person that apparently didn't think the Bidens selling the country out to foreign enemies was worth his time.
 
thethe said:
But just remember guys - BL is a morally sound person that apparently didn't think the Bidens selling the country out to foreign enemies was worth his time.
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Hey give the guy a break... if he wasn't banned from the covid thread he would surely admit to how he has changed his priors, especially after the latest CDC pivot.
 
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