cajunrevenge
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That's the most hilariously biased article I have ever read. Do you believe they should not charge him with a crime if he broke the law?
First Former President to Have Home Raided by FBI
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That's the most hilariously biased article I have ever read. Do you believe they should not charge him with a crime if he broke the law?
sturg33
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I'll settle for the same law and order standard for thee and me
cajunrevenge
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Just because you aren't happy about charging decisions about others doesnt mean Trump.is above the law.
cajunrevenge
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So where does it stop. You dont like that Hillary wasnt charged so you think Trump shouldn't be? So I guess it's just legal for everyone now? I dont buy it. Its just another game you want to play.
57Brave
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Why are any of them at MAL ?
Even if they are only lunch orders, recipes etc etc, why do we have to pay FBI to track them down??
Why did Trump abscound with even 1 ?
Nuclear codes are generally listed Top Secret - at the least
Rosenbergs got the chair
Just sayin
So, mock away
Even if they are only lunch orders, recipes etc etc, why do we have to pay FBI to track them down??
Why did Trump abscound with even 1 ?
Nuclear codes are generally listed Top Secret - at the least
Rosenbergs got the chair
Just sayin
So, mock away
Why didn't the FBI just take the documents back while they were there in June?
chop2chip
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To be honest, I am tired of this saga in general.
The feds got what they wanted out of this - news chryon that says “FBI raids Mar-a-lago”.
Trump got what he wanted - attention and a boost to his 2024 campaign.
The media got a month of content.
Really this was all avoidable if Trump just followed standard procedure and returned his library books back in time. The feds embarrassed themselves by purposely making it look like they were raiding Tony Montana.
nsacpi
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I know the WaPo is a suspect source of information in these parts, but they have constructed a timeline that includes the following:
May 11: According to a court filing by Trump’s lawyers, the custodian of his records receives a grand jury subpoena seeking all “documents bearing classification markings” that are still in Trump’s possession. The filing indicates that in response, Trump asked his aides to look for documents marked classified, even if he believed they had been declassified.
May 16 to 18: The FBI conducts a preliminary review of the material held at the archives, according to an affidavit that would be filed several weeks later in support of the request for a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago. Agents find 184 documents with classification markings: 67 marked confidential, 92 marked secret and 25 documents marked top secret. They include: HCS, FISA, ORCON, NOFORN, and SI — acronyms that refer to, among other things, the government systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, the collection of information through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and intelligence that cannot be shared with foreign allies. Some documents contain what appear to be Trump’s handwritten notes.
May 24: An original deadline set by the Justice Department for complying with its grand jury subpoena. According to a court filing, Corcoran requested an extension — at first the department refused but then extended the deadline until June 7. At no time did Corcoran argue that the subpoena was invalid or the documents sought were protected by executive privilege or had been declassified, the Aug. 30 filing said.
May 25: Corcoran sends a letter to Jay Bratt, chief of the Justice Department’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section, saying that Trump had returned the boxes to the archives in January as part of “a voluntary and open process.” He claims that statutes governing the handling of classified material do not apply to Trump, who he says had the right to declassify anything. “Any attempt to impose criminal liability on a President or former President that involves his actions with respect to documents marked classified would implicate grave constitutional separation-of powers issues,” the letter says. It does not state that the archive documents had been declassified.
Spring: Around this time, members of Trump’s legal team conduct what they characterized as a thorough search of documents still held at Mar-a-Lago, attorney Christina Bobb would later say in interviews. “The legal team had done a very through search. We turned over everything that we found,” Bobb told Fox News’s Laura Ingraham. “It’s my understanding based on very good belief, based on a thorough investigation, that there was nothing there.”
June 3: Bratt and three FBI agents meet with Bobb and Corcoran at Mar-a-Lago and receive the documents gathered in response to the May 11 subpoena. Trump’s lawyers later write in a court filing that the group is greeted in the dining room by Trump, who tells the lawyers to give Bratt and his agents anything they need. The filing indicates that Bratt tours a storage area where documents were stored. Bobb later tells The Washington Post that Bratt opened some of the boxes and flipped through the material inside. In its Aug. 30 court filing, the Justice Department disputed that, telling a judge that Trump’s lawyer “explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room.” The filing indicates that the custodian of the records signed a written statement certifying: “Based upon the information that has been provided to me, I am authorized to certify, on behalf of the Office of Donald J. Trump, the following: a. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida; b. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena; c. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.” The Post has reported that Bobb signed the document.
The Justice Department says later that Bratt was given a single folder of documents that analysis shows includes 38 unique documents bearing classification markings, including five documents marked as confidential, 16 documents marked as secret, and 17 documents marked as top secret.
June 8: Bratt emails Corcoran asking that any documents still at Mar-a-Lago be kept in the storage room and not disturbed. “As I previously indicated to you, Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified information,” he writes. “As such, it appears that since the time classified documents were removed from the secure facilities at the White House and moved to Mar-a-Lago on or around January 20, 2021, they have not been handled in an appropriate manner or stored in an appropriate location. Accordingly, we ask that the room at Mar-a-Lago where the documents had been stored be secured and that all of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago (along with any other items in that room) be preserved in that room in their current condition until further notice,” he wrote.
June 9: Corcoran responds: “I write to acknowledge receipt of this letter,” according to the search-warrant affidavit.
June 8 to June 22: FBI interviews members of Trump’s “personal and household staff,” Trump’s lawyers have said.
June 19: Trump writes to the National Archives, designating Patel and conservative journalist John Solomon “as my representatives for access to Presidential records of my administration.”
June 22: According to Trump lawyers, the Trump Organization, which owns Mar-a-Lago, receives a subpoena for surveillance video from the property.
Aug. 5: Magistrate Judge Bruce E. Reinhart approves the FBI’s request for a search warrant.
May 11: According to a court filing by Trump’s lawyers, the custodian of his records receives a grand jury subpoena seeking all “documents bearing classification markings” that are still in Trump’s possession. The filing indicates that in response, Trump asked his aides to look for documents marked classified, even if he believed they had been declassified.
May 16 to 18: The FBI conducts a preliminary review of the material held at the archives, according to an affidavit that would be filed several weeks later in support of the request for a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago. Agents find 184 documents with classification markings: 67 marked confidential, 92 marked secret and 25 documents marked top secret. They include: HCS, FISA, ORCON, NOFORN, and SI — acronyms that refer to, among other things, the government systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, the collection of information through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and intelligence that cannot be shared with foreign allies. Some documents contain what appear to be Trump’s handwritten notes.
May 24: An original deadline set by the Justice Department for complying with its grand jury subpoena. According to a court filing, Corcoran requested an extension — at first the department refused but then extended the deadline until June 7. At no time did Corcoran argue that the subpoena was invalid or the documents sought were protected by executive privilege or had been declassified, the Aug. 30 filing said.
May 25: Corcoran sends a letter to Jay Bratt, chief of the Justice Department’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section, saying that Trump had returned the boxes to the archives in January as part of “a voluntary and open process.” He claims that statutes governing the handling of classified material do not apply to Trump, who he says had the right to declassify anything. “Any attempt to impose criminal liability on a President or former President that involves his actions with respect to documents marked classified would implicate grave constitutional separation-of powers issues,” the letter says. It does not state that the archive documents had been declassified.
Spring: Around this time, members of Trump’s legal team conduct what they characterized as a thorough search of documents still held at Mar-a-Lago, attorney Christina Bobb would later say in interviews. “The legal team had done a very through search. We turned over everything that we found,” Bobb told Fox News’s Laura Ingraham. “It’s my understanding based on very good belief, based on a thorough investigation, that there was nothing there.”
June 3: Bratt and three FBI agents meet with Bobb and Corcoran at Mar-a-Lago and receive the documents gathered in response to the May 11 subpoena. Trump’s lawyers later write in a court filing that the group is greeted in the dining room by Trump, who tells the lawyers to give Bratt and his agents anything they need. The filing indicates that Bratt tours a storage area where documents were stored. Bobb later tells The Washington Post that Bratt opened some of the boxes and flipped through the material inside. In its Aug. 30 court filing, the Justice Department disputed that, telling a judge that Trump’s lawyer “explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room.” The filing indicates that the custodian of the records signed a written statement certifying: “Based upon the information that has been provided to me, I am authorized to certify, on behalf of the Office of Donald J. Trump, the following: a. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida; b. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena; c. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.” The Post has reported that Bobb signed the document.
The Justice Department says later that Bratt was given a single folder of documents that analysis shows includes 38 unique documents bearing classification markings, including five documents marked as confidential, 16 documents marked as secret, and 17 documents marked as top secret.
June 8: Bratt emails Corcoran asking that any documents still at Mar-a-Lago be kept in the storage room and not disturbed. “As I previously indicated to you, Mar-a-Lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified information,” he writes. “As such, it appears that since the time classified documents were removed from the secure facilities at the White House and moved to Mar-a-Lago on or around January 20, 2021, they have not been handled in an appropriate manner or stored in an appropriate location. Accordingly, we ask that the room at Mar-a-Lago where the documents had been stored be secured and that all of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago (along with any other items in that room) be preserved in that room in their current condition until further notice,” he wrote.
June 9: Corcoran responds: “I write to acknowledge receipt of this letter,” according to the search-warrant affidavit.
June 8 to June 22: FBI interviews members of Trump’s “personal and household staff,” Trump’s lawyers have said.
June 19: Trump writes to the National Archives, designating Patel and conservative journalist John Solomon “as my representatives for access to Presidential records of my administration.”
June 22: According to Trump lawyers, the Trump Organization, which owns Mar-a-Lago, receives a subpoena for surveillance video from the property.
Aug. 5: Magistrate Judge Bruce E. Reinhart approves the FBI’s request for a search warrant.