That was my initial reaction, as well. However, there is a better chance of BJ sorting everything out. Despite the fact that none of the commenters at DOB want to hear it, no matter how slim, if Uggla's problems are mostly adjusting to the Lasik surgery, then they might as well try to get something out of him. If BJ returns to career average and Uggla can just manage .225 with 25 HR's & still driving in runs, they repeat as division champs.
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That was my initial reaction, as well. However, there is a better chance of BJ sorting everything out. Despite the fact that none of the commenters at DOB want to hear it, no matter how slim, if Uggla's problems are mostly adjusting to the Lasik surgery, then they might as well try to get something out of him. If BJ returns to career average and Uggla can just manage .225 with 25 HR's & still driving in runs, they repeat as division champs.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
In fairness, Uggla DID change overnight. Just not in a good way.
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So we won't discuss the bad trades?
McLouth, Franceour, Texeira, and Escobar deals were awesome right? Not too mention the deal where he acquired Uggla.
McLouth, Franceour, Texeira, and Escobar deals were awesome right? Not too mention the deal where he acquired Uggla.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
The trade for McLouth and Uggla were good ones. They just didn't perform. Texeira trade was terrible, but was under JS, not Wren.
Sure we can. But really the Tex deal is the only one that has sucked. The others are really deals that didn't work out but haven't really set the team back or anything.
The second Tex trade was under Wren and although not as bad was still poor since he insisted on a 1B in return and got Kotchman instead of taking the best deal available or just getting draft picks (which netted the Angels Trout
)
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
How was the Francoeur trade bad? Or the Escobar trade? They were trades that had to happen because of sucking and in Escobar's case a player who pissed off a hall of fame manager.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
And likely tanked at least one game after the Pena trade and probably a lot more. He should've been traded that year. That's the only negative there. A piece of ****. No doubt.
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The ones who think Wren is some sort of genius are the same fans who accept mediocrity. Yeah that Ryan Church trade wasn't bad..tell me again which player is still playing baseball at the major league level.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Why does that matter? Francoeur is terrible and we got rid of him. So what that church didn't do anything. Failcoeur sucks and in April of the following season we debuted Jason heywaed. Would you rather have failcoeur instead of Heyward?
Is the purpose of this thread just to bitch about the last 5 years? If so, all anybody has to do is read the comments section of any DOB article. None of that is covering new ground.
The team has shown steady improvement over the past 3 seasons: Out of playoffs. Wild card game. Division champion. Most professional baseball writers had the Braves pegged at 3rd place for '13 behind Nationals & Phillies. Failing to see how that's settling for mediocrity. Then consider the fact that they were able to overcome the handicaps with BJ & Uggla (as discussed above). Yeah, the Dodgers series was a disappointment, but be realistic. The Braves were seriously overmatched, but actually had a chance to take it to 5 games. The season has to be viewed in a favorable light.
Wren constructed the roster with the budget he was given. Not saying extend him for 5 years yet, but let's see what changes come over the next few months and how the team performs.
The team has shown steady improvement over the past 3 seasons: Out of playoffs. Wild card game. Division champion. Most professional baseball writers had the Braves pegged at 3rd place for '13 behind Nationals & Phillies. Failing to see how that's settling for mediocrity. Then consider the fact that they were able to overcome the handicaps with BJ & Uggla (as discussed above). Yeah, the Dodgers series was a disappointment, but be realistic. The Braves were seriously overmatched, but actually had a chance to take it to 5 games. The season has to be viewed in a favorable light.
Wren constructed the roster with the budget he was given. Not saying extend him for 5 years yet, but let's see what changes come over the next few months and how the team performs.
Wasn't Boone Logan also included in this deal?
They actually might've had projected Gorkys to develop into something more. Speed was identified as an organizational need at the time. That's why Gorkys, Lillibridge and Josh Anderson were targeted. Unfortunately, neither really panned out, but just back and forth b/tw majors and AAA.
cajunrevenge
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Yes, he was to Atlanta and from Atlanta in both Vazquez deals.
At the time did you think the McLouth and Uggla trades were bad? I recall everyone thinking those trades were steals at the time.
I dont really blame Wren for the second Tex trade. I really liked Kotchman and the fact that he didnt work out doesnt change my view of the trade.
The Escobar and Francoeur trades were addition by subtraction. Wren had no leverage and both were Struggla level of bad. If you want to criticize him on those trades then criticize him for not trading them earlier.
It is mind boggling to me how Casey Kotchman had very little to no power.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
The second Tex trade sucked, but no one thought Kotchman would be that bad. The year before he had a very solid season. Sure it would have been nice to have a crack at Trout but no guarantee he would have been there (Angels had back to back picks they coudl have still taken Trout just one pick higher)
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Fredi. Uggla, and BJ come to mind.