Fredi nominated for Manager of the Year Finalist

ChapelHillMatt said:
I wouldn't say he's bad but I'll admit he's not a great in game strategist. Difference between you and me is I don't think that makes him a bad manager. There is more to managing than filling out lineup cards and making in game decisions. It's a small part of the job.

Your argument has been he's a bad manager and deserves to be fired. That's where we are disagreeing. Nobody is making the argument that he's perfect and has no weaknesses.
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I've allowed that he could be a good manager behind the scenes. None of us really know. What we do know is that there HAS been much more public turmoil than at any point under Bobby. That's not a good sign.
 
And, for clarification, I have ALWAYS said he is a bad in-game manager. I have never left that off.
 
Dalyn said:
I disagree about Bobby being a bad in-game manager, but that doesn't really matter now. We are stuck with Fredi for another year. I have a feeling we might see Snitker in 2015.
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I could see McDowell as manager maybe if next year doesnt go well.

I doubt Snitker is manager lol.
 
Dalyn said:
1. Is not true. It took him forever to make the right, OBVIOUS move at the top, and the team and certain players suffered for it.

2. In the end, he protected Kimbrel too much.

7. Not true at all. We had a coach fight with a player and had a player trash Fredi's managing to the press.
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1. He was way more flexible than Bobby would've been. How many leadoff hitters did we have this year? Heyward leading off isn't obvious, and far from ideal, but was just the best option.

2. Disagree. Let's say he pitches Kimbrel 2 innings and we win. After a day off we're back in Atlanta and in the same situation, leading by a run in the 8th. Do you pitch Kimbrel 2 innings again? If he does he's suddenly putting a lot of stress on golden boy's arm - You know Kimbrel is gonna try and throw 100mph in both innings. He's also telling Carpenter he doesn't deserve to be the set up man, which Carpenter excelled at all year. If he doesn't it's the same criticism all over again. He protected both Carpenter and Kimbrel by using them the way he had all year.

Probably he should've brought Kimbrel in after Puig got on base. Not that big of a deal.

7. Boys will be boys. He promptly put out the fire and the drama disappeared in a day.

I believe I do have perspective. It's irrational and naive to think the manager should be able to help us beat superior teams. Even with our record we were no better than the 3rd best team in the NL in October.

I believe most teams and players prefer a conservative (aka consistent), or even somewhat stubborn manager. At least they will know what to expect out of him day in and day out.
 
I think most would agree that Fredi isn't a super great manager, but you guys are in for a big let down if you think he's not going to be managing the Braves for the next decade.
Managers don't get fired when they are slightly better than average to good, possible great. They get fired when the team sucks or when they don't get along with upper management.
 
Dalyn said:
And, for clarification, I have ALWAYS said he is a bad in-game manager. I have never left that off.
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So tell me the managers around the league that are great in game managers and please provide examples of what makes them so special.
 
gtcway said:
I think most would agree that Fredi isn't a super great manager, but you guys are in for a big let down if you think he's not going to be managing the Braves for the next decade.
Managers don't get fired when they are slightly better than average to good, possible great. They get fired when the team sucks or when they don't get along with upper management.
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Agreed.

And we aren't an organization that believes in changing managers every couple of years. We have always looked for stability so unless something drastic is needed there is no way he gets fired.
 
Fredi's in-game managing cost us our season, in my opinion.

From starting Garcia to not using Kimbrel. Just awful.
 
sturg33 said:
"You can't use your closer in a tie game on the road"

That should get anyone fired.
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How many managers use their closers in a tie game on the road? Every game I've watched managers save their closers for save situations on the road and only use them in tie games if they are at home.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
Medlen and Teheran's ineffectiveness had nothing to do with it I suppose?
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Teheran was mishandled from the start. That is on Wren and Fredi. And his start in the playoffs was BADLY managed. Just horrible. Medlen failed. He spoke up for himself and his teammates and was handed the reins (for himself). He responded by becoming our best pitcher for the rest of the year. But in the end he just had a bad game.
 
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