Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Garcia went toe to toe with the best pitcher in baseball.
6 innings, 2 runs vs LA.
Not sure what more you could ask for.
Garcia wasnt why we lost.
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Garcia went toe to toe with the best pitcher in baseball.
6 innings, 2 runs vs LA.
Not sure what more you could ask for.
Garcia wasnt why we lost.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Oh, please, no one is going to waste time with that. I watch nearly as many Oakland games as I watch Braves games, and, let me tell you, it is a completely different experience.
ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
Compelling argument you make there.
In other words you can't give specific examples as to what a good in game manager does vs what a bad one does.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I can. I have. All of us have. I am just not going to waste time citing a bunch of specific instances only to have you guys completely disregard all of them like most of you do. Feel free to do it yourself.
ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
I have 2 jobs, doesn't leave much free time to watch other teams play.
I just don't believe you have the perspective you hope you have. You just blamed Teheran's performance on Fredi and Wren and none of it on the player that actually had an outcome on the game. Everything that goes wrong is the managers fault. My guess is there will be no pleasing you as long as he's our manager. No matter how many games we win it'll never be good enough.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Teheran obviously has plenty of the blame. That goes without saying. But you can't discount the fact that he was pushed far beyond his limit and then had sporadic playing time in September trying to make up for it. The result was a tired, rusty Teheran in the playoffs. No surprise there.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I work from home, so I have the advantage of watching more games. It is nice. My friend is a huge Oakland fan, so...
sturg33
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Whether other managers suck to is not my concern. All I know is Fredi sucks
1. He bunts way too often - often times with our best hitters
2. He doesn't know what a defensive shift is
3. For a great majority of the season, he was batting our worst OBP players in the leadoff spot (Simmons, Upton, Schafer)
4. He manages to saves, rather than to wins
5. He start Freddy Garcia in an elimination game against the best starting pitcher in baseball
6. He leaves the best pitcher in baseball on the bench in an elimination game bc it wasn't a save opportunity yet - and it never became one by the way
7. He pitches injured relievers like Walden for 2 innings, but not healthy pitchers like Kimbrel
8. He leaves Dan Uggla (a legitimate on base threat and power threat) OFF the playoff roster in favor of... Elliot Johnson
9. He benched Jason Heyward in favor of... Jose Constanza
10. He publicly said in the media that he would prefer some Phillies players over some of his own.
1. He bunts way too often - often times with our best hitters
2. He doesn't know what a defensive shift is
3. For a great majority of the season, he was batting our worst OBP players in the leadoff spot (Simmons, Upton, Schafer)
4. He manages to saves, rather than to wins
5. He start Freddy Garcia in an elimination game against the best starting pitcher in baseball
6. He leaves the best pitcher in baseball on the bench in an elimination game bc it wasn't a save opportunity yet - and it never became one by the way
7. He pitches injured relievers like Walden for 2 innings, but not healthy pitchers like Kimbrel
8. He leaves Dan Uggla (a legitimate on base threat and power threat) OFF the playoff roster in favor of... Elliot Johnson
9. He benched Jason Heyward in favor of... Jose Constanza
10. He publicly said in the media that he would prefer some Phillies players over some of his own.
sturg33
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I don't care how many managers do or don't. The fact that they don't, makes them stupid. Fredi falls in this category
sturg33
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By that logic Jose Constanza shoulda started over Heyward bc Heyward had a bad game
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
No one is blaming everything that goes wrong on the manager. That is an exaggeration. And I was fine with Fredi when he first came here...before I had a chance to watch him on a regular basis. There is always some asinine obsession with him. First it was bunts. Then it was Schafer leading off. Then it was Simmons leading off. Then it was pulling pitchers as soon as someone got on base after the fifth inning. Then it was Gattis anchoring the lineup. It is always something. You don't see that with many managers, at least not the ones who stick around with one team long. And that is completely disregarding his otherwise bad in-game managing.
sturg33
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1. Gracia was getting hit HARD
2. Garcia gave up two home runs to Carl freaking Crawford
3. For all I know - Medlen shuts them down and we win easily
ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
Well you would be firing every manager if you go by your logic. No manager in baseball does what you want them to do, not even Hall of Famers. Maybe you should put in your application.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
You said Fredi cost us our season with his in game decisions. I'm merely pointing out that it's up to the players to perform and our guys didn't. It's really as simple as that.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Fair points, but....
Garcia went 6 innings, and gave up 2 runs, tell me who would of done better than that?
Garcia pitched well surprisingly.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
What argument have you supplied? You disregard the millions of examples people give, and then you Heyward the discussion.