GDT 10/1/24 - Braves @ Padres - AJSS for WC Game 1
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Don't you have to be able to punch to have a "puncher's chance?"
Strike3urout
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Well, acceptance is setting in early this year...
bravesnumberone
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Amazing that anyone still thinks we would have scored any runs last night. We could have had 1995 Greg Maddux pitching and San Diego would have eventually won 1-0 once we had to take him out.
Strike3urout
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Listen...the Braves have been the unluckiest team in baseball by a mile. The amount of injuries and bad hitting luck, coupled with the unfortunate setup of the past week, would probably have wrecked any team's season. But even if you get dealt ****ty hands, you can still play them well. And the Braves have made too many organizational mistakes this year. From small stuff, like not giving Fried a couple of rehab starts in the minors (instead of the majors), to trading for old faithfuls of the '21 team, who bring nothing to the table in '24, and finally the mismanagement of the past few days, it's been a disappointing amount of idiocy. Those kind of mistakes may be normal for Snit, but for AA, it's been disconcerting. He's had a great offseason, but a pretty poor regular season.
In the bigger picture, the Braves absolutely need to reshape their organizational offensive approach. You just can't win big games against ace pitchers if the hitters have a strike zone 20% larger than the actual strike zone. TDA's swing at a pitch that was a full plate width off the plate was just the icing on the cake. And that is NOT just due to the injuries. It was the same crap last season with the world's greatest offense. Opposing pitchers know where to go to reliably get outs without having to throw strikes and regardless of the count. That is too much of an edge we're giving the other team every October.
In the bigger picture, the Braves absolutely need to reshape their organizational offensive approach. You just can't win big games against ace pitchers if the hitters have a strike zone 20% larger than the actual strike zone. TDA's swing at a pitch that was a full plate width off the plate was just the icing on the cake. And that is NOT just due to the injuries. It was the same crap last season with the world's greatest offense. Opposing pitchers know where to go to reliably get outs without having to throw strikes and regardless of the count. That is too much of an edge we're giving the other team every October.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
So we were told AJ was working on things and results in trip a shouldn’t count. Then the brains in the org decide he was ready and the best choice. By the second inning a poster on a message board suggested he was tipping and espn showed a side by side that he was definitely tipping and the org still felt he was the best choice to go in the first game of a three game series.
He has now jumped waldrep as guys I want traded. Use him to get rid of Murphy or soler. Use him to get a SS or OF. Use him to get a manager. I don’t care. He won’t ever amount to much in mllb.
For the offense. That was just awesome and only supports everyone’s case to completely revamp the coaching staff. Not a single approach. No one can recognize pitch location. Take strikes Swing when it is in dirt or a foot outside.
Shame this team took a spot from another team who would have been more competitive in these games. Embarrassing.
He has now jumped waldrep as guys I want traded. Use him to get rid of Murphy or soler. Use him to get a SS or OF. Use him to get a manager. I don’t care. He won’t ever amount to much in mllb.
For the offense. That was just awesome and only supports everyone’s case to completely revamp the coaching staff. Not a single approach. No one can recognize pitch location. Take strikes Swing when it is in dirt or a foot outside.
Shame this team took a spot from another team who would have been more competitive in these games. Embarrassing.
Tapate50
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Tipping is easily fixable.
The change and the curve looked great.
I think like Max, he’s gonna have to shape that 2 seam better as the four seam doesn’t look like it moves at all.
Other than that- those two breaking pitches looked very promising
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
If it is easy then why didn’t they do it? Are you suggesting the Braves didn’t know but message board warriors and and broadcast could tell in 2 innings?
I haven’t looked at savant yet but I am curious on his stuff. To be continued.
Tapate50
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I am not sure of the capability to review data from pitch to pitch in real time in the dugout but that is something viewers at home can do.
Maybe they did?
All it takes to clear out tipping is a few practice reps and for him to know he was doing it.
Didn't we have another instance of tipping in the playoffs last few years?
Michael King is really, really good too. I think most people miss that. Yes, we had plenty of scoring opportunities and we **** the bed. But Pads have a great pitching staff as well.
We really only have 3 hitters you would qualify as "good" and only one of those hitters you would qualify as great right now (Ozuna). Olson and Harris have a history of being really good and have been hot recently. I would say they are somewhere between good and great.
Pretty much everyone else would classically be labeled as a rag tag group of castoffs and misfits, with the exception of Albies who is hitting RHP as a RHH for the first time in his career.
Edit: forgot Murphy, who is typically a good hitter but has been struggling. He should be hitting a lot better than he has.
We really only have 3 hitters you would qualify as "good" and only one of those hitters you would qualify as great right now (Ozuna). Olson and Harris have a history of being really good and have been hot recently. I would say they are somewhere between good and great.
Pretty much everyone else would classically be labeled as a rag tag group of castoffs and misfits, with the exception of Albies who is hitting RHP as a RHH for the first time in his career.
Edit: forgot Murphy, who is typically a good hitter but has been struggling. He should be hitting a lot better than he has.
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1 start in a post-season game as a 21 year old that had 1 prior MLB start this season has suddenly shaped your entire opinion on him? Really???
msstate7
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You also forgot soler. Hell, even laureano is a career .749 ops, and he was at .748 this season. This lineup shouldn't be this bad, and since it is, someone should pay
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
no his collection of work in the minors as well as his starts at the major league level.
I know he is 'working' on things so his 2+ homers per 9, his 4+ BB/9, his 1.2 whip over the past two years don't really count.. all should be easily fixed when he doesn't tip pitches and learns how to throw strikes and doesn't give up homers every game. I mean he can throw 98 every so often, so the Braves should keep him for sure.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
The Braves are not bad hitters.. they just don't game plan is my thought process. They don't have an approach.. just see ball hit ball. Braves hitters are not horrible at going the other way, or hitting line drives, or even trying to hit situationally.. I think it is just they don't have a plan because they don't recognize pitches like they should..
look at the pitches they swung at last night..
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player-scroll/game?gamePk=775333&player_id=650633#pitch_swinging
That is a lot of pitches WELL off the plate. I get, guys get fooled or you were gearing up for a pitch and got something different, or even protecting a 2 strike count.. but some of those were so bad that there is no excuse. To me, imo, strictly my opinion.. this is a result of bad game planning.
msstate7
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His control sucks, so we may have no choice, but I do remember our catchers getting SS rocked bc they called too many fastballs his first few starts. I wonder if some of AJSS's issues are the same, but again, I don't know if he can control his offspeed to throw more junk
Tapate50
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That looks like the groups when you are sighting in a gun from scratch. Brutal.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
His curve is a decent pitch and he only threw it twice (of course he didn't throw but 30 pitches).. His change up is a downer with no fade.. good movement down, bad horizontal. but his command and control was terrible.. not just missing but missing bad. He threw his fastball 50% of the time, but that is low imo, since he couldn't locate any off speed. I think only 3 off speed where in the zone.
Hitters were not fooled by much he had. only 2 whiffs total. But is that because he is bad or because he was tipping. I guess to be determined.
Hudson2
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I think Seitzer got to much credit last year bc all the guys had career years all at once. There has to be a reason for everybody falling off this year and it has to fall on him and his approach. He needs to get the ax this offseason along with Snit and Weiss and get fresh blood in here so the rest of the window isnt wasted on these guys. With Shumaker leaving he needs to be a serious option to bring in.