GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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thethe said:
What do you mean may or may not have happened. The logs are gone. That is a fact. The error rate is a recalculation based on actual testing. This is a fact.

What are you saying is not true?
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I know there are theories about why the logs are gone... theories that both sides are behind the problem... but unlike you, I won't speculate on something before spewing it. All you do is spew speculation. Also, I am not surprised you just hear a number from a tweet and run with it, even when there is no explanation in the report about where the data comes from (because you didn't actually read it... you just relied on your Twitter feed to tell you what you need to know about it):

"The new report alleges that Dominion Voting Systems, the election technology used by Antrim County and elsewhere, "is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results." It's unclear how Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG) reached this conclusion, however.

Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an "error rate" of 68% when examining "the tabulation log" of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the "error rate" data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/14/michigan-judge-allows-release-report-antrim-county-voting/6537394002/
 
zbhargrove said:
I know there are theories about why the logs are gone... theories that both sides are behind the problem... but unlike you, I won't speculate on something before spewing it. All you do is spew speculation. Also, I am not surprised you just hear an number and run with it, even when there is no explanation in the report about where the data comes from:

"The new report alleges that Dominion Voting Systems, the election technology used by Antrim County and elsewhere, "is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results." It's unclear how Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG) reached this conclusion, however.

Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an "error rate" of 68% when examining "the tabulation log" of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the "error rate" data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/14/michigan-judge-allows-release-report-antrim-county-voting/6537394002/
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This dispenses none of the claims the report has made.

You think someone else other than the state officials took the logs? Who do you think would take them and what motivation do they have.

You all need basic auditing education.
 
thethe said:
This dispenses none of the claims the report has made.

You think someone else other than the state officials took the logs? Who do you think would take them and what motivation do they have.

You all need basic auditing education.
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And you are living and dying by a guy who can't even get basic statistics right... maybe you should read this again:

"Ramsland, a cybersecurity analyst and former Republican congressional candidate, mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns in one recent flawed analysis of voter turnout in the Nov. 3 election. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit filed in Michigan, he made wildly inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various Michigan municipalities claiming that Detroit, where turnout was 51%, had turnout of 139%, and that North Muskegon, which had turnout of 78%, had voter turnout of 782%."

Why should I believe this dude when he's churning out mistake after mistake? Is he really that bad or dumb at his job or is he trying to be intentionally misleading? Because Mr. math not seeing a problem with this guy's consistently error riddled and bad math is pretty funny.

It gives pause to any rational human being on just blindly believing whatever this guy is reporting because he is clearly very wrong often... very wrong.
 
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zbhargrove said:
And you are living and dying by a guy who can't even get basic statistics right... maybe you should read this again:

"Ramsland, a cybersecurity analyst and former Republican congressional candidate, mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns in one recent flawed analysis of voter turnout in the Nov. 3 election. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit filed in Michigan, he made wildly inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various Michigan municipalities claiming that Detroit, where turnout was 51%, had turnout of 139%, and that North Muskegon, which had turnout of 78%, had voter turnout of 782%."

Why should I believe this dude when he's churning out mistake after mistake? Is he really that bad or dumb at his job or is he trying to be intentionally misleading? Because Mr. math not seeing a problem with this guy's consistently error riddled and bad math is pretty funny.
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I expected you to ignore the report regardless of the credentials of the preparer.

I’ll let those criticize the entirety of ones career without acknowledging that mistakes happen especially when it’s outside their area of expertise. Notice how nobody is disputing the raw results of his walkthroughs and substantive testing. The focus is on the conclusion assertions.
 
thethe said:
I expected you to ignore the report regardless of the credentials of the preparer.

I’ll let those criticize the entirety of ones career without acknowledging that mistakes happen especially when it’s outside their area of expertise. Notice how nobody is disputing the raw results of his walkthroughs and substantive testing. The focus is on the conclusion assertions.
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Yep, nothing is being questioned about the raw data in his report:

"Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an 'error rate' of 68% when examining 'the tabulation log' of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the 'error rate' data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results."
 
zbhargrove said:
Yep, nothing is being questioned about the raw data in his report:

"Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an 'error rate' of 68% when examining 'the tabulation log' of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the 'error rate' data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results."
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That isn’t a dispute with a counter fact. That is the statement of a confused person not understanding the methodology used to substantively test the machine.
 
thethe said:
That isn’t a dispute with a counter fact. That is the statement of a confused person not understanding the methodology used to substantively test the machine.
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Time after time his calculations have been wrong, so why should I trust his error rate number when he doesn't supply the raw data or go over how he calculated it?
 
zbhargrove said:
Time after time his calculations have been wrong, so why should I trust his error rate number when he doesn't supply the raw data or go over how he calculated it?
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Remember this take.

It will age as poorly as you saying the hunter Biden laptop was just Russian disinformation.
 
President retweeting stuff saying he’s he’s gonna throw a governor and a Secretary of State in jail for not doing what he wants to steal an election

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Yes, it belongs in all 3 threads
 
thethe said:
Remember this take.

It will age as poorly as you saying the hunter Biden laptop was just Russian disinformation.
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Interesting... you attributing something to me that I never said. I said there wasn't enough evidence the laptop story was real. The questionable screen shots, lack of metadata, etc... I never once mentioned Russia... I never once said it wasn't true. I did say thank God I wasn't voting for Hunter Biden... I still stand by that claim. I do also stand by my claim that I haven't seen anything convincing that implicates his father in anything malicious. Next.
 
zbhargrove said:
Interesting... you attributing something to me that I never said. I said there wasn't enough evidence the laptop story was real. The questionable screen shots, lack of metadata, etc... I never once mentioned Russia... I never once said it wasn't true. I did say thank God I wasn't voting for Hunter Biden... I still stand by that claim. I do also stand by my claim that I haven't seen anything convincing that implicates his father in anything malicious. Next.
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What are hunter Biden’s credentials that merited him getting these payments and ownership stakes in these companies?
 
thethe said:
What are hunter Biden’s credentials that merited him getting these payments and ownership stakes in these companies?
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My favorite take (and I don’t even think they realize it) is republicans getting upset that people with connections getting things they didn’t earn

Aka the Republican Party way for rich white republicans lol
 
thethe said:
What are hunter Biden’s credentials that merited him getting these payments and ownership stakes in these companies?
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So your "evidence" continues to be about your own speculation and assumptions. Sure he probably got benefits in life with who his dad is... just like all the Trump kids. You have to prove Joe actively lobbied to get his son in said position, etc... Joe can't be blamed for any perks his son received indirectly. By the way, I want to thank you again for attributing multiple statements to me that I never made.
 
zbhargrove said:
So your "evidence" continues to be about your own speculation and assumptions. Sure he probably got benefits in life with who his dad is... just like all the Trump kids. You have to prove Joe actively lobbied to get his son in said position, etc... Joe can't be blamed for any perks his son received indirectly. By the way, I want to thank you again for attributing multiple statements to me that I never made.
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There is a witness who testified that Joe Biden was actively involved and also provided hard evidence. You ignored that.

Let me help you with my question. Hunter Biden had no creeebtials and got them because he assured meetings with the big guy. Validated emails and legal agreements prove that.
 
thethe said:
There is a witness who testified that Joe Biden was actively involved and also provided hard evidence. You ignored that.

Let me help you with my question. Hunter Biden had no creeebtials and got them because he assured meetings with the big guy. Validated emails and legal agreements prove that.
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Provided from a proven partisan hack who is a questionable source... emails with no metadata... just screen shots. That's a bit far from "proven." But you know this already.
 
zbhargrove said:
Provided from a proven partisan hack who is a questionable source... emails with no metadata... just screen shots. That's a bit far from "proven." But you know this already.
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There was an open invitation to anyone who wanted to inspect the laptop. Are you aware of that?
 
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