GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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My thoughts on this in my untrained legal opinion.


- "my client is a delusional nutjob" is a tough defense for the President of the United States.

- His delusions are a part of his persona. He is unable to accept that he lost anything ever. If this was an isolated incident I think there would be a strong case that he actually believes it but when its his everyday behavior not convicting him is giving him a license to break the law. I like to watch/study sovereign citizens a lot and this reminds me a lot of them. That they legitimately believe their BS doesnt help them one bit.


- When Trump tells Raffensperger to "just say you recalculated" that is soliciting election fraud.

- Trump continues to make the same accusations after they were shown to him to be false.

- His aids have leaked to the media that he knows he lost. Would be interesting to subpoena them to testify.


- If he thought he won why did he demote Brad Parscale? I think they could subpoena records from the Trump campaign that show he was informed of how bad he was doing. Its not like he was polling well and severely under performed the polls which would be a reason to think there was fraud.


- Then theres also the issue of his actual attempted to voter fraud using DeJoy and the Post office and what he was impeached for. His plan with the post office was thwarted because Democrats sued to and the courts ordered DeJoy to ensure the election mail was delivered on time but Trump did exactly what we thought his plan was and sued to not allow ballots received after 8 pm on election night. Had DeJoy not been sued by Democrats this could have flipped PA. Then there was the attempted extortion of Ukraine to help his campaign cheat. I dont think he can claim he legitimately believes he was screwed when he was actively trying to commit voter and election fraud. A person doesnt do those types of things if they think they are going to win.

there is a pharmacist in Wisconsin who is in jail for deliberately leaving some vaccines out of the refrigerator because he believed a conspiracy theory that they would alter people's DNA

wonder if he will be released on grounds he sincerely believed in an alternate reality
 
Stuart Max
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For perspective on how far the GOP has fallen, let’s just remember that

the hero of the Trump phone call story has a day job disenfranchising

Black voters in Georgia.
 
Most crimes require both mens rea (criminal intent) and actus reus (criminal act) to be a crime. If you have a sincere belief that is incorrect but, if correct, your actions would not be criminal, then you have no mens rea.

For example, suppose I see a wallet sitting on a table and I think it's my wallet. I pick it up and put it in my pocket. The police stop me and take the wallet and determine it's not mine. I've not committed a crime. I had no criminal intent as had my mistaken belief been correct, I wouldn't be stealing.

With Trump, whether or not the call was actually criminal would depend on the specific statutes involved and what elements are required. I haven't researched that exhaustively enough to speak on it. I will say the fact that he seems to think he's fighting to ensure a result he believes is correct reduces the culpability. It doesn't make the situation better as a narcissist operating under delusions is hardly a better person to have as a president than a criminal.

The issue is Trump is asking for votes to be found and made vague threats about what would happen if he doesn't find them. Seems like there is plenty of intent there.
 
John Harwood
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remember: the reason so many Republican politicians and voters consider

Democratic election victories illegitimate is that so many Democrats are not white
 
I think its going to require a court order to get Pence to do his duty. I am 99% sure we will see shenanigans by Pence. I think he is going to refuse to count some states in an attempt to delay the certification then take off on his overseas trip to claim he cant return to certify the vote until his trip is over. I wish I could peek into an alternate history where this works for Trump just to see how far down the authoritarian rabbit hole we would go. There would undoubtedly be mass protests and general strikes and we know how the Mad King would respond to that.
 
What would Machiavelli advise the Democrats on January 6? This could be their chance to establish a precedent that would effectively blow up the Electoral College.
 
After Republicans object to Arizona the Democrats should object to every state Trump won and force a 2 hour debate for each state Trump won and use that time and the attention it gets to go over all the corruption and criminality from the Trump administration.
 
You've complained more about a dumb President saying he thinks he won the election than the dozens killed in BLM protests
 
Still willing to take that bet if you'd like


Not only are you a fraud

And is why I wouldn't make any bet with you on anything

All of this would be a loss for you cause none of this is peacefully leaving

But you’ve proven to be quite an idiot too
 
Constitution boy just keeps throwing distraction after distraction.

Reminds me of his leader that isn’t peacefully leaving
 
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