GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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Serious question: were the people who broke into the building arrested? Maddow seems to be claiming they all just went home like nothing happened.
 
From what I have heard 13 people were arrested. They were very undermanned and had little ability to arrest anyone while most of the chaos was going on.
 
acesfull86 said:
I supported this?
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If you have supported Trump, you have supported this. If you have railed against liberals while ignoring T's bs, you have supported this. But don't fret, I'm with you. I support this very ugly airing out of Orange One and his lies, as well as shining a spotlight on the insanity of his followers, and how easily people can be fooled.

That's the real takeaway here : Americans, at least 50% of them, are fools and will believe most anything you tell them. And T is basically telling everyone today that Mike Pence is responsible. That's his thanks for being a lapdog for 4 years. If Pence had a manly bone in his body... well.
 
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I want to preface this by saying I did vote for Trump in this past election. I did feel some disappointment when Joe Biden won. but I have been accepting of his victory and for the transition to his administration begin. Obviously, Donald Trump has not. At the beginning, I've had the attitude of if there was fraud, then lets see the evidence. Put it all out there to see. Trump, Giuliani, and the rest of that crowd have talked a big game and have backed it up with nothing. For the past weeks, since it's been apparent, is apparent, always had and always will be apparent that there was nothing, I've hoped he'd just end it so we the American people can move on. To my increasing frustration, he has not.

Today was an embarrassment to all right thinking Americans. The rest of the world watched as The United States of America looked like a bunch of buffoons. Because of an election that should not be contested. It was a true black eye for our nation. The actions of today was a display of idiocy not seen in a long time. The speech that Donald Trump made before the chaos ensued was inflammatory and unnecessary. What's more disheartening is that reports are say he rebuffed requests for the National Guard to intervene and stop the madness. Who does that? Then he continues to tweet (before Twitter suspended his account) about stolen elections. His only address was a recorded message. He should have been on live TV addressing the country and demanding the madness to stop and the rioters to leave. Aside from a short taped message and a few tweets, he didn't. And now, a lady has died in this. She didn't have to.

Donald Trump today did not lead. In not doing so, he let down the millions of right thinking Americans who supported his reelection campaign and went to the ballot box in a pandemic to vote for him. These last few weeks of shouting of election fraud with no evidence to show for it led to what happened today. I know there are reports of Antifa being involved. I would not doubt that is true, but instead of trying to keep peace, the opposite happened. He let me down. He let millions of others down. I've been losing support for him more and more these past few weeks. Today, I completely wash my hands of him. He's gone off the deep end and I just can't deal with that any longer. I'm hoping he comes to his senses (unlikely) and steps down or the 25th amendment is done. America has to move forward now. For the sake of the people.

Today was a dark day. George Washington and the rest of out founding fathers are probably rolling over in their graves tonight. I know many of you are probably rolling your eyes at me since I admitted I voted for him. I can understand why. But I hope you all understand. I was truly horrified and embarrassed at what happened. The man I voted for today, failed me and many other Americans and I am truly mad and embarrassed at him today. What I hope and pray now is this actually helps us as Americans actually do come together in some way. Right-minded people, many on both the Republican and Democratic sides, are angry at what happened. Are we going to channel that anger into in some way, bridging the divide? I pray to God that happens. If not, things may not improve any time soon.
 
Runnin said:
If you have supported Trump, you have supported this. If you have railed against liberals while ignoring T's bs, you have supported this. But don't fret, I'm with you. I support this very ugly airing out of Orange One and his lies, as well as shining a spotlight on the insanity of his followers, and how easily people can be fooled.

That's the real takeaway here : Americans, at least 50% of them, are fools and will most anything you tell them. And T is basically telling everyone today that Mike Pence is responsible. That's his thanks for being a lapdog for 4 years. If Pence had a manly bone in his body... well.
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I hope the people you vote for give this a more open minded look if that's your takeaway.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
I want to preface this by saying I did vote for Trump in this past election. I did feel some disappointment when Joe Biden won.
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Kudos for your honesty.

He's gone off the deep end and I just can't deal with that any longer. I'm hoping he comes to his senses (unlikely) and steps down or the 25th amendment is done. America has to move forward now. For the sake of the people.
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He started in the deep end and never once pivoted toward the center. I think today will only further embolden him. I think he loved today and is only disappointed they didn't get Pence on a stake.
 
Tapate50 said:
This doesn’t surprise me- seems like removal may stoke more flames but still the right move ? Cant let precedence take hold?

Idk- what’s the strategy going forward?
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It's past time. The Senate should have convicted during the impeachment and the 25th should have been used as soon as he went loony with the election results.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
I want to preface this by saying I did vote for Trump in this past election. I did feel some disappointment when Joe Biden won. but I have been accepting of his victory and for the transition to his administration begin. Obviously, Donald Trump has not. At the beginning, I've had the attitude of if there was fraud, then lets see the evidence. Put it all out there to see. Trump, Giuliani, and the rest of that crowd have talked a big game and have backed it up with nothing. For the past weeks, since it's been apparent, is apparent, always had and always will be apparent that there was nothing, I've hoped he'd just end it so we the American people can move on. To my increasing frustration, he has not.

Today was an embarrassment to all right thinking Americans. The rest of the world watched as The United States of America looked like a bunch of buffoons. Because of an election that should not be contested. It was a true black eye for our nation. The actions of today was a display of idiocy not seen in a long time. The speech that Donald Trump made before the chaos ensued was inflammatory and unnecessary. What's more disheartening is that reports are say he rebuffed requests for the National Guard to intervene and stop the madness. Who does that? Then he continues to tweet (before Twitter suspended his account) about stolen elections. His only address was a recorded message. He should have been on live TV addressing the country and demanding the madness to stop and the rioters to leave. Aside from a short taped message and a few tweets, he didn't. And now, a lady has died in this. She didn't have to.

Donald Trump today did not lead. In not doing so, he let down the millions of right thinking Americans who supported his reelection campaign and went to the ballot box in a pandemic to vote for him. These last few weeks of shouting of election fraud with no evidence to show for it led to what happened today. I know there are reports of Antifa being involved. I would not doubt that is true, but instead of trying to keep peace, the opposite happened. He let me down. He let millions of others down. I've been losing support for him more and more these past few weeks. Today, I completely wash my hands of him. He's gone off the deep end and I just can't deal with that any longer. I'm hoping he comes to his senses (unlikely) and steps down or the 25th amendment is done. America has to move forward now. For the sake of the people.

Today was a dark day. George Washington and the rest of out founding fathers are probably rolling over in their graves tonight. I know many of you are probably rolling your eyes at me since I admitted I voted for him. I can understand why. But I hope you all understand. I was truly horrified and embarrassed at what happened. The man I voted for today, failed me and many other Americans and I am truly mad and embarrassed at him today. What I hope and pray now is this actually helps us as Americans actually do come together in some way. Right-minded people, many on both the Republican and Democratic sides, are angry at what happened. Are we going to channel that anger into in some way, bridging the divide? I pray to God that happens. If not, things may not improve any time soon.
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To be clear, your boy was blowing this dog whistle for 4 years now, so to suddenly act like you just became aware of what Trump is rings hollow. The events of today were foreseen by everyone who was paying attention. The events of today are the only logical conclusion of everything he’s spent the last year doing.

As a newly minted ex-republican registered as an independent, I see no way anyone with an IQ over 50 can claim they didn’t see what Trump was doing. I find it impossible to believe anyone is that naive or stupid. He wasn’t being elusive. He never waivered. He was loud and proud about everything. He was this person from day 1, and there’s no way anyone paying attention could miss it.

You, and all his supporters, were so desperate to embrace the conservative values that the GOP no longer represents, that you were willing to support him despite knowing full well what he is.
 
Andrew Ross Sorkin
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So Trump has access to the nuclear codes but he can't Tweet or post to Facebook.
 
I work with a guy who is a former marine corp officer and has everyone in his Rolodex. Seriously, the guy knows tons of influential people.

He said today the US has to maneuver some of its armed forces around to make sure China or Russia didn't use the chaos as cover to move against Taiwan or the Ukraine respectively.

The stakes are bigger than broken windows. The US is the world's hegemon. Don't think for minute that other countries wont take advantage of cracks in our system.

I had previously thought Trumpites were foolish but largely harmless. No more. Now I'm suporting using the 25th amendment against Trump. This was a bridge too far.
 
I also find it hard to believe people cant see Trump for who he is but we need to respect that we all get a vote. The problem as I see it is we do not have a third option. I feel like we desperately need ranked choice voting because every election feels like both sides vote the alternative as literal Hitler.
 
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Enscheff said:
To be clear, your boy was blowing this dog whistle for 4 years now, so to suddenly act like you just became aware of what Trump is rings hollow. The events of today were foreseen by everyone who was paying attention. The events of today are the only logical conclusion of everything he’s spent the last year doing.

As a newly minted ex-republican registered as an independent, I see no way anyone with an IQ over 50 can claim they didn’t see what Trump was doing. I find it impossible to believe anyone is that naive or stupid. He wasn’t being elusive. He never waivered. He was loud and proud about everything. He was this person from day 1, and there’s no way anyone paying attention could miss it.

You, and all his supporters, were so desperate to embrace the conservative values that the GOP no longer represents, that you were willing to support him despite knowing full well what he is.
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Based on today, not too much I can say in defense. The anger I feel today, I assure you, is not hollow.
 
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