GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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Representative Tom Reed of New York, who has emerged as a leader of more moderate Republicans in the House, said Thursday that the party needed to begin “not worrying about base politics as much, and standing up to that base.” He argued that Republicans should pursue compromise legislation with Mr. Biden on issues like climate change, and forecast that a sizable number of Republicans would take that path.

“If that means standing up to the base in order to achieve something, they’ll do it,” Mr. Reed predicted.

if there is a silver lining, this might be it...there will be a rump group of Republicans who are gonna say the hell with the base
 
Jaw said:
"The Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) is prepared for this week's First Amendment activities. MPD has coordinated with its federal partners, namely the US Park Police, US Capitol Police, and the US Secret Service-all of whom regularly have uniformed personnel protecting federal assets in the District of Columbia"

It was a coordinated effort, as is reasonable when multiple protests in various areas are planned.
She called up 340 National Guard ahead of time, because she has that authority.
She specified that they be unarmed and in support roles. Again, reasonable, because they aren't trained or experienced police.
She didn't want any other extra support in the entire District, including on the Capitol grounds.

I'm not sure if that addresses what you're asking about or not.
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So again, what happened that MPD could have done when Capitol Police Board didn't call for aid from the National Guard.

So again, what could Bowser have done?
 
nsacpi said:
Representative Tom Reed of New York, who has emerged as a leader of more moderate Republicans in the House, said Thursday that the party needed to begin “not worrying about base politics as much, and standing up to that base.” He argued that Republicans should pursue compromise legislation with Mr. Biden on issues like climate change, and forecast that a sizable number of Republicans would take that path.

“If that means standing up to the base in order to achieve something, they’ll do it,” Mr. Reed predicted.

if there is a silver lining, this might be it...there will be a rump group of Republicans who are gonna say the hell with the base
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Outside of a few rare moments like Newt's contract and the Tea Party revolt, that's what they always did between Reagan andTrump. Pay lip service to social conservatives, screw the middle class for the benefit of the wealthy, embrace the policies they called radical a few years before, nominate center or center left judges.

I guess the pro column of this would be that at least they're honest. The con would be that they won't hold 180 seats in the House or 40 in the Senate.
 
zitothebrave said:
So again, what happened that MPD could have done when Capitol Police Board didn't call for aid from the National Guard.

So again, what could Bowser have done?
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Written her letter to request help from those outside agencies instead of specifically asking them to stay away.

But I'm not saying she or her people were unreasonable to think they didn't need help. I'm saying it's verifiably false to say racism is the reason the National Guard wasn't deployed for the MAGA riot. Unless the accusation is that Bowser and her staff's decision was racist, which is certainly possible. But I don't think that's what anyone is trying to imply.
 
To all of those that haven't asked, I think that's childish. On the streets we would have called him a little bitch.
 
Meh he was just be a huge distraction if he was there. The media would fixate on his face the entire speech.

Side note, is Joe gonna have a crowd? He said he didn't do rallies due to covid during the campaign
 
sturg33 said:
Meh he was just be a huge distraction if he was there. The media would fixate on his face the entire speech.

Side note, is Joe gonna have a crowd? He said he didn't do rallies due to covid during the campaign
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I think he should go, but you are correct. Trump would end up the story if he attended.
 
Jaw said:
Written her letter to request help from those outside agencies instead of specifically asking them to stay away.

But I'm not saying she or her people were unreasonable to think they didn't need help. I'm saying it's verifiably false to say racism is the reason the National Guard wasn't deployed for the MAGA riot. Unless the accusation is that Bowser and her staff's decision was racist, which is certainly possible. But I don't think that's what anyone is trying to imply.
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Ok, but again, the issue is Capitol Police vs. DC Metro. I don't understand why this simple concept is so hard to get.

Yes DC Police work with and can bolster Capitol Police, but Capitol Police didn't ask for help. Why didn't the Sergeant at Arms for the House and Senate ask for help?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...d-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

"Hundreds of National Guard troops were posted in the streets of Washington, D.C., on Wednesday afternoon, but there was little they could do to respond as pro-Trump rioters overran the Capitol.

Investigations are imminent, to determine whether the Capitol Police were undermanned and unprepared for the threat posed by two days of rallies against the results of the 2020 election, but the answer as to why troops posted blocks away were unable to respond to the siege is as simple ― or as complicated ― as a morass of bureaucracy.

Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record."

So for the I don't know 20th time, why is Bowser involved? Why is DC Metro and Bowser being smeared when every ****ing cause of the problem is Capitol Police.

I can't believe I've been presented with literally 0 facts to counter my argument by the people who only deal in "facts"
 
nsacpi said:
The pot of gold for Dominion would be if they can tie the defamation to the PACs that have been fundraising off of all this. It seems to me they might be able to make the case that the funds raised are ill-gotten gains that came at the expense of Dominion. Those PACs have raised a lot of dough. I'm not a lawyer, but I think they should be pursuing that type of legal theory/strategy.

I think there might also be a RICO-type case here. A conspiracy that incidentally damaged Dominion. But it is really a conspiracy to raise money by swindling gullible people.

The lawyers are gonna be busy with this for a long time. There are both criminal and civil cases likely to come out of this.
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RICO requires commission of one of an set number of predicate offenses. So you'd have to show one of those first. If what the PACs did was legal, it doesn't matter if they benefited from a civil wrong against Dominion.

Dominion is suing for defamation. Defamation can be difficult to prove if the plaintiff is considered a "public figure" or a "limited purpose public figure". With Dominion, I might find it hard for them to argue they're not a public figure as they're taking contracts to perform services for the government and the statements made were in regards to their work for the government. I could see Dominion being considered a public figure for the purposes of their work for the government.

If they're considered a public figure, you have to show "actual malice" which is defined as "a knowing falsehood or reckless disregard for the truth." That's an almost impossible bar to reach. If Dominion is going to succeed, it would need to avoid being labeled a public figure.

But this isn't about Dominion winning. This is about them making a showing to try to clear their name.
 
zitothebrave said:
Ok, but again, the issue is Capitol Police vs. DC Metro. I don't understand why this simple concept is so hard to get.

Yes DC Police work with and can bolster Capitol Police, but Capitol Police didn't ask for help. Why didn't the Sergeant at Arms for the House and Senate ask for help?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...d-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

"Hundreds of National Guard troops were posted in the streets of Washington, D.C., on Wednesday afternoon, but there was little they could do to respond as pro-Trump rioters overran the Capitol.

Investigations are imminent, to determine whether the Capitol Police were undermanned and unprepared for the threat posed by two days of rallies against the results of the 2020 election, but the answer as to why troops posted blocks away were unable to respond to the siege is as simple ― or as complicated ― as a morass of bureaucracy.

Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record."

So for the I don't know 20th time, why is Bowser involved? Why is DC Metro and Bowser being smeared when every ****ing cause of the problem is Capitol Police.

I can't believe I've been presented with literally 0 facts to counter my argument by the people who only deal in "facts"
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I think we're talking past each other. I'm not blaming Bowser, MPD, or Capitol Police for anything.

I referenced the numerous articles, media statements, and politicians pointing to racism as the reason the Guard wasn't defending the Capitol. The answer is that they weren't there because the government of the District told them they weren't welcome.

After things got hairy someone did call for help. Scores of police from Virginia drove in, Guard troops from neighboring states, there were even helos on the way up from Fort Bragg in case things got really bad.

It obviously takes longer for those forces to get to the Capitol from outside the District, where they were told by the DC mayor to stay, than it does for protesters to walk up the steps.
 
they said you was high class

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cajunrevenge said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...r-election-conspiracy-theory/?sh=221a91dd20f2



Dominion released the Kraken on Sidney Powell. Suing her for 1.3 Billion. I am not lawyer but this is about as clear a case of defamation I think you could ever have.
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No such thing as a clear case of defamation. I posted elsewhere that one of the key determining factors of a defamation suit is whether the plaintiff is a public figure. Since Dominion was doing government contracts and the speech is in relation to the government contract, there's a fair chance they'll be at least a limited purpose public figure.

Public figures have to show actual malice. This means they have to show the defendant knew what they were saying was false or else had a reckless disregard for the truth. That's a really, really high bar. It's why tabloids rarely get sued by celebrities.
 
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