GDT 5/17: Maximum Fried v Jhoulys

[GeorgiaGirl]

Did anyone claim Blevins?

Nope, got outrighted to AAA.

But I seriously doubt they're too quick on Venters since he has been a Braves guy. They'll likely see the error and weird 9th inning zone and keep him. It'll take him blowing a game vs a LHH for the "talk" and potential let go to happen.

 

[Runnin]

It’s two guys. Two guys who shouldn’t be on our roster. Don’t group the entire pen in with this.

Right, except for the extremely bad pitchers who should not be there, the bullpen isn't so terrible. LOL

We burned through 4 relievers and had to bring in the closer with a 12 run lead going into the 7th.

 

[Freshmaker]

A bit ugly at the end, but glad we held on for the W! Nice little homestand so far.

 

[Slippyjms]

Dont think we can option Camargo either. I can see Joyce DFA'd, although he's been good. I guess go with a 5-man bench but given Snit doesnt give many guys days off, doesnt make much sense.

Camargo has 2 options remaining

 

[thethe]

Lost in the shuffle of all the runs - Max Fried is a damn good major league pitcher.

 

[thewupk]

Lost in the shuffle of all the runs - Max Fried is a damn good major league pitcher.

I don't think it was that lost

 

[thethe]

I don't think it was that lost

Eh - I think if the game ended 3-0 and Fried pitches another scoreless inning the 'narrative' of the game is different. Not that this matters at all but after it was a blowout you kind of forget for a little bit there were some tight spots, especially to Yelich, where Fried showed his dominance.

We have something special brewing with Soroka/Fried and when Folty ultimately gets his act together the Braves could be positioned to be one of the best teams in baseball when you consider how potent the offense can be.

 

[CyYoung31]

Right, except for the extremely bad pitchers who should not be there, the bullpen isn't so terrible. LOL

We burned through 4 relievers and had to bring in the closer with a 12 run lead going into the 7th.

It was garbage time. That’s why those pitchers were in.

I’m not saying the bullpen is fixed, but it’s disingenuous to call it terrible because of its last two members when the rest of it has been doing good work lately.

 

[UNCBlue012]

It was garbage time. That’s why those pitchers were in.

I’m not saying the bullpen is fixed, but it’s disingenuous to call it terrible because of its last two members when the rest of it has been doing good work lately.

Fully agree. I’d go as far as saying this is a decent BP with Newk and Touki in it.

 

[bravesfanMatt]

It was garbage time. That’s why those pitchers were in.

I’m not saying the bullpen is fixed, but it’s disingenuous to call it terrible because of its last two members when the rest of it has been doing good work lately.

I would seriously like to upgrade those last two spots somehow. Venters is toast and parson has never impressed me. Tomlin is fine for mop up. Hoping Kimbrel improves one of those spots then find something internal or trade for the other.

 

[bravesfanforlife88]

I would seriously like to upgrade those last two spots somehow. Venters is toast and parson has never impressed me. Tomlin is fine for mop up. Hoping Kimbrel improves one of those spots then find something internal or trade for the other.

Sign Kimbrel and maybe Minter finds it down in Gwinnett, but I wouldnt bank on it.

Maybe trade with the Giants for MadBum/bullpen help. Then we would be set.

 

[bravesfanMatt]

Sign Kimbrel and maybe Minter finds it down in Gwinnett, but I wouldnt bank on it.

Maybe trade with the Giants for MadBum/bullpen help. Then we would be set.

Ha. I can’t believe I forgot about minter. He is too good not to figure it out. He will help. Sobo might get his act together too. Both would be huge upgrades to the pen and could send Newk or touki back to starting.

 

[The Tariff King]

I think Kimbrel would help Minter out with the mental game.

 

[nsacpi]

I think Kimbrel would help Minter out with the mental game.

Kimbrel was choking big time last post season.

 

[Enscheff]

After their last starts Soroka now has an xwOBA of .287 and Fried .288. That’s in the range of a 2/3 where folks start to argue they are TOR guys, and the argument turns into one of semantics.

This is what we expected from Soroka, so nobody should be overly surprised. That may be taking him for granted a bit, but we knew he was going to be good as long as the shoulder cooperated.

The new slider and greatly improved control from Fried transformed him from #5 or longman in the BP to a weapon in the rotation. It’s getting to the point where it’s becoming hard not to believe in the improved control, even if it may not be quite elite.

I’ve been advocating for Fried to add a pitch to mitigate the flat FA for over a year now, and I’m not sure why it never crossed my mind that pitch could be a slider. Imagine if he also added the above average or plus SI I still think he is capable of throwing. Those 5 pitches with his current control would be an undisputed TOR guy.

 

[AerchAngel]

Thanks Dr. Scheff.

Bringing sense into a conversation of players and abilities and this makes absolute sense, but I will go further, his FB is like 94-97 and if he can add a complete wipe-out slider (Kershaw or R Johnson) or a nice cutter, he is TOR stuff and possible ace material but he has to master the control of them.

His curve is already elite material. He doesn't throw change-ups much but they are sporadic, which will give hitters to think about.

What do you think about that?

 

[The Tariff King]

Kimbrel was choking big time last post season.

The Braves Way.

Fredi was ahead of his time in 2013.

 

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

It’s two guys. Two guys who shouldn’t be on our roster. Don’t group the entire pen in with this.

Where was Webb? He only threw 10 pitches on Thursday night. Enscheff already showed us that Venters and Wes Parsons are trash using the xwOBA metric. I sort of understand giving Venters a low leverage situation but Parsons is no doubt hot garbage but to add “cherry on top of the ice cream” Snit takes out Venters (he was done, probably a little too late even) for a much worse pitcher! That situation became a not "low leverage" one really quick!

 

[Hulavol]

You guys wanna solve a bullpen piece ?
There is one down on the farm - that should stay there to hone his badassness because he has a crazy high cieling, but I feel like he could flat dominate in 8th inning situations...
VV

 

[CyYoung31]

You guys wanna solve a bullpen piece ?
There is one down on the farm - that should stay there to hone his badassness because he has a crazy high cieling, but I feel like he could flat dominate in 8th inning situations...
VV

Vince Velasquez?