GDT: 5/31, Braves @ Giants; Day Off For Freeman

Let me repeat myself.



Julio said as much yesterday pregame radio.

having said that again, the image of Julio laying in bed crying over what Fredi said was worth the trouble

As far as players not wanting to play for Fredi --- do any of you watch the games or just sit and type while play is going on.

This team plays spirited baseball --
 
thethe said:
With ground ball pitchers like Wood/Miller/Perez in there that has to make the Braves chances to accumulate a few more wins than expected somewhat realistic I would think.
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The Braves are 18th in groundball rate in the majors.
 
I think what thethe could have said instead is would you be willing to trade one year of Justin Upton and nothing else (no trades, etc.) for 5 years of Peterson. I mean I personally would easily take Peterson in that hypothetical.
 
yeezus said:
found this in a super brief search (literally only typed in "strikeouts playoffs" in google):

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/41029/will-braves-strikeouts-matter-in-playoffs

so only one top-10 strikeout team has won the world series, the other winners tend to come in the bottom 3rd (a trend that held up this past year: both world series teams were lower-k teams, the Royals being best in the league).

I'd say it plays a part.
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The author needs a study in correlation and causation. He acknowledges there are other factors and yet doesn't provide any substance. In order to prove that strikeout teams don't perform in the playoffs, you would have to factor in pitching and defense and what the correlation to wins and strikeouts is. If all those teams also had the best pitching staffs, then you could test each intangible.
 
weso1 said:
I think what thethe could have said instead is would you be willing to trade one year of Justin Upton and nothing else (no trades, etc.) for 5 years of Peterson. I mean I personally would easily take Peterson in that hypothetical.
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I would take 1 year of Upton with draft pick compensation (or negotiate all summer and try to work out a deal) and Peraza. Its not like you are likely to lose anything going from Jace to Peraza.
 
gilesfan said:
I would take 1 year of Upton with draft pick compensation (or negotiate all summer and try to work out a deal) and Peraza. Its not like you are likely to lose anything going from Jace to Peraza.
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Except a future piece that can be used at the major league level or as a trade piece in another future deal.
 
thethe said:
Except a future piece that can be used at the major league level or as a trade piece in another future deal.
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Not getting a ton back for him, but you are correct that something of value could be added.
 
gilesfan said:
Not getting a ton back for him, but you are correct that something of value could be added.
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If Peterson puts up a 3 WAR season this year (trending in that direction) then you better believe that you can add him to a significant deal. Not the sole centerpiece but teams will definitely go for a player like that. More than likely he is around a 2 WAR player which is still valuable trade piece.
 
gilesfan said:
The author needs a study in correlation and causation. He acknowledges there are other factors and yet doesn't provide any substance. In order to prove that strikeout teams don't perform in the playoffs, you would have to factor in pitching and defense and what the correlation to wins and strikeouts is. If all those teams also had the best pitching staffs, then you could test each intangible.
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it's certainly a crude look at it and doesn't prove anything, but it's at least a little telling that those that succeed in the playoffs are generally in the bottom-3rd of K rate.
 
gilesfan said:
I would take 1 year of Upton with draft pick compensation (or negotiate all summer and try to work out a deal) and Peraza. Its not like you are likely to lose anything going from Jace to Peraza.
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I agree with this. I think 1 year of Justin Upton + a sandwich pick is worth more than 6 years of Jace Peterson. I really like Jace and want him to prove me wrong, but I fear some are raising the expectations bar a little too high on him. I'd say there's a >50% chance that Jace will be non-tendered before he reaches free agency. That's the same way I felt about Gattis, which is why I was very happy with the return from Houston.
 
dak said:
I agree with this. I think 1 year of Justin Upton + a sandwich pick is worth more than 6 years of Jace Peterson. I really like Jace and want him to prove me wrong, but I fear some are raising the expectations bar a little too high on him. I'd say there's a >50% chance that Jace will be non-tendered before he reaches free agency. That's the same way I felt about Gattis, which is why I was very happy with the return from Houston.
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Yeah, Jace is far from a guarantee for anything at this point. He could still really flop. He's unpredictable, which is why I want to let him have this whole season as a starter to see how much clearer his picture gets.
 
dak said:
I'd say there's a > 50% chance that Jace will be non-tendered before he reaches free agency. That's the same way I felt about Gattis, which is why I was very happy with the return from Houston.
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If so, while we often agree I very much disagree with you on both players here. However, I am not saying some ain't jumping the gun on Jace a bit. But it seems others here are going too far the other way.
 
Braves1976 said:
If so, while we often agree I very much disagree with you on both players here. However, I am not saying some ain't jumping the gun on Jace a bit. But it seems others here are going too far the other way.
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Totally understand, it's a speculative remark and I know that a lot of reasonable folks will disagree. Perhaps my handicapping of the non-tender odds on Jace is a bit too high since he has no injury concerns and defense is not valued appropriately in arbitration, but I'm definitely bullish on Gattis being non-tendered in the next few years.

I still contend though that Jace will be more of a utility guy than an everyday player though. His defense is the key for me. Right now, my sense is that he's exceeding expectations on defense and he'll regress a bit. The key question is, how will he be performing at age 30 during his last arb year.
 
dak said:
Totally understand, it's a speculative remark and I know that a lot of reasonable folks will disagree. Perhaps my handicapping of the non-tender odds on Jace is a bit too high since he has no injury concerns and defense is not valued appropriately in arbitration, but I'm definitely bullish on Gattis being non-tendered in the next few years.

I still contend though that Jace will be more of a utility guy than an everyday player though. His defense is the key for me. Right now, my sense is that he's exceeding expectations on defense and he'll regress a bit. The key question is, how will he be performing at age 30 during his last arb year.
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Defensively, I think Jace should be fine long term considering the type of athlete he is. Just a hunch.
 
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