GDT 7/7/14: BRAVES (Minor) @ LetsGOes (Dice-K)

Seems to me this sets precedence that a manager can now challenge whether or not a play at second is the "neighborhood" play or if the infielder was just trying to gain an advantage to turn a double play...pretty freaking ridiculous.
 
I don't like that Terry Collins guy. This is the second time this year that he pulled a bitch move in regards to replay.
 
That play has been an out in baseball for 150+ years. It's really insane they can challenge that now.
 
Hale hasn't pitched since his start on June 28. Carpenter hasn't pitched since coming off the DL.

Good, bad or indifferent bullpen management?

Varvaro and Simmons have each had four appearances during the period Carpenter and Hale have not pitched at all. Will anyone be surprised if Hale and Carpenter are rusty/ineffective in their next outing?
 
MLB will hardly ever air its dirty laundry in public so any reprimands of the umpires will go unseen by us. Makes this doubly frustrating.

On a strangely symbolic note: I watched some of Adam Sandler's 'The Longest Yard' while the Braves flitted this one away. The scene where the crooked referee gets nailed twice in the balls was satisfying as I thought of umpires getting drilled in the facemask or elsewhere with a pitch...
 
nsacpi said:
Hale hasn't pitched since his start on June 28. Carpenter hasn't pitched since coming off the DL.

Good, bad or indifferent bullpen management?

Varvaro and Simmons have each had four appearances during the period Carpenter and Hale have not pitched at all. Will anyone be surprised if Hale and Carpenter are rusty/ineffective in their next outing?
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When I turned on my phone and saw Avilan out there after giving up an RBI-double the night before, I was dumbfounded. Completely rested Carpenter and Hale. Somehow we use the overly used Avilan and Varvaro... so stupid.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
When I turned on my phone and saw Avilan out there after giving up an RBI-double the night before, I was dumbfounded. Completely rested Carpenter and Hale. Somehow we use the overly used Avilan and Varvaro... so stupid.
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It is fine having a hierarchy for the pen. But it is bad practice to overuse some to the point of ineffectiveness while underusing others also to the point of ineffectiveness.
 
Orphan Black said:
What happens if a team wins a protest?
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First, the game has to be protested before another play takes place, so if Fredi didn't tell the umpires we were protesting during his argument there would have been no standing to protest.

After the umpires are notified of the protest, all game conditions at the time of protest prior to the play in question are recorded. These are things like number of outs, runners on base, etc.

MLB reviews the protest and makes their determination. If the protest is granted, the game restarts from the point of protest and is played out to the end.

Even if the call is deemed correct, MLB will not grant the protest if it doesn't change the outcome of the game. So even if Torre decides we have a legitimate gripe he won't uphold the protest, as the runner in question didn't score and the extra out didn't change the final result.

A protest has to be on the incorrect application of the rules. It cannot be based upon a judgment call, which is the out MLB used when Holbrook went in dry on the Braves in the WC game. The situation last night would have been a perfect test of whether or not the protest process is handled fairly and given serious consideration, as by MLB's replay rules the "neighborhood play" is not reviewable.

In 37 years of watching MLB games I've never seen a protest upheld, with the possible exception of the George Brett pine tar game, and I'm not certain if that went through the official protest process or not. As a youth league coach I had one that was going to be upheld this year, but due to logistics and the fact that a different result in the game in question wouldn't have affected the standings the league decided not to replay the end of the game. That's how I know how the process works. The process is outlined in the official rules of baseball, which filters down from MLB all the way to the youth leagues.
 
I don't think Varvaro is a day-after-day guy. I've always liked him more than most in here, but he's the current Cristhian Martinez on the team and I am having a hard time understanding Gonzalez' sudden love for him.

I was just following on my phone, but I found the bullpen use curious. Why start Simmons a second inning after he threw 21 pitches?

PS--I know they are waiting around for Venters, but if we are going to have a LHP in the bullpen, we have to get someone who will perform better than Avilan. He's been miserable all season.
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't think Varvaro is a day-after-day guy. I've always liked him more than most in here, but he's the current Cristhian Martinez on the team and I am having a hard time understanding Gonzalez' sudden love for him.

I was just following on my phone, but I found the bullpen use curious. Why start Simmons a second inning after he threw 21 pitches?

PS--I know they are waiting around for Venters, but if we are going to have a LHP in the bullpen, we have to get someone who will perform better than Avilan. He's been miserable all season.
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The only explanation that would make sense of the recent bullpen usage pattern would be if Carpenter had an injury. But why activate him if that is the case.
 
nsacpi said:
The only explanation that would make sense of the recent bullpen usage pattern would be if Carpenter had an injury. But why activate him if that is the case.
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Yeah, that's it in a nutshell. If Gonzalez doesn't have confidence in Carpenter, he should have kept Jaime active until he believed Carpenter was fully recovered.
 
Thanks...to me if mlb upholds it then they are in effect saying it is okay to review whether or not a play is the "neighborhood" play or if the infielder was just trying to gain an advantage...man does this open up a serious can of worms.

DirkPiggler said:
First, the game has to be protested before another play takes place, so if Fredi didn't tell the umpires we were protesting during his argument there would have been no standing to protest.

After the umpires are notified of the protest, all game conditions at the time of protest prior to the play in question are recorded. These are things like number of outs, runners on base, etc.

MLB reviews the protest and makes their determination. If the protest is granted, the game restarts from the point of protest and is played out to the end.

Even if the call is deemed correct, MLB will not grant the protest if it doesn't change the outcome of the game. So even if Torre decides we have a legitimate gripe he won't uphold the protest, as the runner in question didn't score and the extra out didn't change the final result.

A protest has to be on the incorrect application of the rules. It cannot be based upon a judgment call, which is the out MLB used when Holbrook went in dry on the Braves in the WC game. The situation last night would have been a perfect test of whether or not the protest process is handled fairly and given serious consideration, as by MLB's replay rules the "neighborhood play" is not reviewable.

In 37 years of watching MLB games I've never seen a protest upheld, with the possible exception of the George Brett pine tar game, and I'm not certain if that went through the official protest process or not. As a youth league coach I had one that was going to be upheld this year, but due to logistics and the fact that a different result in the game in question wouldn't have affected the standings the league decided not to replay the end of the game. That's how I know how the process works. The process is outlined in the official rules of baseball, which filters down from MLB all the way to the youth leagues.
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