GDT 8/16 - The Thing From Pembroke invades Little Havana

Southcack77 said:
It's pretty remarkable how little of San Diego's prospect hoard has lived up to expectations and how few of Preller's moves have been clear wins.

Overpaying for Machado and getting Tatis as a throw in to a salary dump. They have done good things with relievers I think.
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Cronenworth and Trent Grisham were great pickups. I liked Musgrove and he’s been better than expected. Of course, Machado and Tatis are franchise changing acquisitions (he absolutely gets credit for convincing that ownership to spend on Machado).

Preller made a lot of boneheaded moves early on but he’s definitely hit more than miss the last few years (and his hits have been home runs).
 
thewupk said:
Mets lose another one
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I’m on the edge of my seat waiting to see what ridiculous contracts that knucklehead throws out this winter to try to buy himself the New York spotlight.

I thought Baez would be the guy but considering how he’s already soured Mets fans it’s going to have to be someone like Castellanos.
 
Southcack77 said:
It's pretty remarkable how little of San Diego's prospect hoard has lived up to expectations and how few of Preller's moves have been clear wins.

Overpaying for Machado and getting Tatis as a throw in to a salary dump. They have done good things with relievers I think.
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I hate to be that dude but Enscheff called this multiple times.
 
goldfly said:
it's wild how well we are playing
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AA didn't add a number of high-profile bats, instead, he just filled holes and created depth. It was a brilliant strategy that cost next to nothing. He also signed guys that mash the ball - players with large hard-hit rates. He also added a reliever that has completely changed the complexion of the bullpen. He's such a good GM.
 
chop2chip said:
Cronenworth and Trent Grisham were great pickups. I liked Musgrove and he’s been better than expected. Of course, Machado and Tatis are franchise changing acquisitions (he absolutely gets credit for convincing that ownership to spend on Machado).

Preller made a lot of boneheaded moves early on but he’s definitely hit more than miss the last few years (and his hits have been home runs).
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I'm not going to rip on Preller too much. He makes a lot of frenetic moves and he's had the well of prosepct capital that allows him to be very aggressive. But he's still paying Wil Myers just under $23 million and somehow tossing Trea Turner to the Nationals in that three-way deal and he's paying Hosmer an ungodly sum of dough. That said, getting Tommy Pham and Jake Cronenworth from the Rays for a lottery pick is one of the few times I've seen someone get the better of the Rays (at least in the short term) in a deal.
 
MadduxFanII said:
On the one hand, sure. On the other hand, getting Fernando Tatis Jr. for James freaking Shields is the kind of move you can dine out on for a looooooong time. That's really a franchise changer, at least to the extent any one move for any one player can be a franchise changer in baseball.
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I mean sure, but no one had any idea he was this when the trade was made. An unnoticed throw- in to a salary dump amid all the headline hungry deals. Ironic.
 
50PoundHead said:
I'm not going to rip on Preller too much. He makes a lot of frenetic moves and he's had the well of prosepct capital that allows him to be very aggressive. But he's still paying Wil Myers just under $23 million and somehow tossing Trea Turner to the Nationals in that three-way deal and he's paying Hosmer an ungodly sum of dough. That said, getting Tommy Pham and Jake Cronenworth from the Rays for a lottery pick is one of the few times I've seen someone get the better of the Rays (at least in the short term) in a deal.
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The inclusion of Cronenworth seems like an error but I'm not really familiar with what he was as a prospect.

Pham is kind of irrelevant.
 
50PoundHead said:
I'm not going to rip on Preller too much. He makes a lot of frenetic moves and he's had the well of prosepct capital that allows him to be very aggressive. But he's still paying Wil Myers just under $23 million and somehow tossing Trea Turner to the Nationals in that three-way deal and he's paying Hosmer an ungodly sum of dough. That said, getting Tommy Pham and Jake Cronenworth from the Rays for a lottery pick is one of the few times I've seen someone get the better of the Rays (at least in the short term) in a deal.
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Pham was clearly a salary dump by the Rays, plus he's relatively old. He end up being pretty bad last year, and has bounced back a bit this year, but you can see what they were doing. The Rays would definitely like to have Cronenworth back, but he was never a top prospect, so that was a surprise.
 
NYCBrave said:
Pham was clearly a salary dump by the Rays, plus he's relatively old. He end up being pretty bad last year, and has bounced back a bit this year, but you can see what they were doing. The Rays would definitely like to have Cronenworth back, but he was never a top prospect, so that was a surprise.
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Pham is on track to maybe get to league average this year.

Disposable.
 
thewupk said:
Shouldn't getting Tatis but giving up Turner cancel each other out.
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I feel like Turner was a blue chip at the time and Tatis had not played minor league ball.

Trading Turner probably more than cancels out the windfall. Wasn't that trade before the fire sale 6 months later.

The writers like Preller though. Action and access and a little color.
 
thethe said:
Geez - I remember a time where I wanted this team to sell.

Thank God I'm not the GM!!!
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Man..people love to use hindsight to say how they KNEW the Braves were going to be this...that. Nothing wrong with having the thought to sell because it made just as much sense as this team winning the division with below average replacement players playing over their heads. The moves were easily enough for this putrid division so I knew the tickle fairy's would be happy.

AA was still a botched 4PM deadline from the Shrek pitchfork gang giving him the business! (To wit, Rodriguez). I like the moves at the time and give AA credit for the deals. But it's not like he could sit on his nuts and hope it would all work out.
 
Deester11 said:
Man..people love to use hindsight to say how they KNEW the Braves were going to be this...that. Nothing wrong with having the thought to sell because it made just as much sense as this team winning the division with below average replacement players playing over their heads. The moves were easily enough for this putrid division so I knew the tickle fairy's would be happy.

AA was still a botched 4PM deadline from the Shrek pitchfork gang giving him the business! (To wit, Rodriguez). I like the moves at the time and give AA credit for the deals. But it's not like he could sit on his nuts and hope it would all work out.
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I was a big fan of the moves and was actually a bit surprised people thought it would only have a negligible impact.

But for sure I was more in the camp of sell prior to any of the moves being made.
 
I was so wrong at the deadline. I just didn’t see how you could replace Acuna and fix holes and fix pen without killing farm. It just seemed too much to do. But now we see real MLB players up and down the lineup. Yes all have flaws. But they are still real players. And then see what we gave up and you see why I type on my phone and he gets paid.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I was so wrong at the deadline. I just didn’t see how you could replace Acuna and fix holes and fix pen without killing farm. It just seemed too much to do. But now we see real MLB players up and down the lineup. Yes all have flaws. But they are still real players. And then see what we gave up and you see why I type on my phone and he gets paid.
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It also shows how talented the Braves' core is. The fill-in players have performed but this surge has mainly been due to the core doing their job and other guys not being absolutely terrible.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
It also shows how talented the Braves' core is. The fill-in players have performed but this surge has mainly been due to the core doing their job and other guys not being absolutely terrible.
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This is it in a nutshell. It helps to have proven hitters throughout the line-up instead of Larry, Curly, and Moe in the 7-8-9 slots. But think back to our early season woes and the one step forward-one step back-one step sideways pattern we were on. Freeman was hitting in bad luck (but still putting up good numbers). d'Arnaud was hurt. Pache did a face plant. Smyly absolutely sucked. Fried sucked slightly less than Smyly. We had basically no bullpen depth to get to Smith and Smith seemed to pay for every mistake he made.

Here are the OPS numbers for the core since August 1. Freeman-.886/Albies-.886/Swanson-1.041/Riley-.902. Having stability clearly helps, but the core is doing most of the heavy lifting. Rodriguez has been the key addition in my estimation as he's pushed the other RHPs in the bullpen to lower-leverage situations. Big thing now is that we are beating up on also-rans (particularly the Nationals and Marlins) who have gone into rebuild mode. A win's a win and when you play a team is often as important as who you are playing and we were not playing well against the bottom-feeders earlier this season, so it's good to see water finding its own level.
 
You're all making great points. The reality is, anything after 6th in the batting order was painful to watch. Align that with a bullpen that was terrible and yes....AA couldn't have sold that to the general public. Thus everyone was saying sell...sell and IF he wasn't making moves it was the logical thing to do. That's it.
 
Fangraphs now has us at 51.0% to win division. Still think this is as worthless as it was when we were like 5%
 
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