No doubt, and I don't want Fredi around as manager at all going forward. But I'm just saying you can't make chicken salad out of chicken crap, no manager would be able to salvage what we have on the field right now. We are last in runs scored in baseball, and in the bottom 6 in ERA. That's just going to be a horrible team no matter how you slice it.
GDT 8/23/15 @ Cubs; Wisler vs. Hammel
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No doubt, and I don't want Fredi around as manager at all going forward. But I'm just saying you can't make chicken salad out of chicken crap, no manager would be able to salvage what we have on the field right now. We are last in runs scored in baseball, and in the bottom 6 in ERA. That's just going to be a horrible team no matter how you slice it.
On a positive note: I was born in 78 so my first experience with the Braves were the 86-90 squads. That turnaround season is so much sweeter after watching some pathetic performances.
On a negative note: I'm accepting the fact that Wisler, Folty, and Banuelos may be the first wave of flipped pitching assets and not the stalwarts I thought they could be.
Wisler knows how to pitch but doesn't have that bulldog mentality or the arsenal.
On a negative note: I'm accepting the fact that Wisler, Folty, and Banuelos may be the first wave of flipped pitching assets and not the stalwarts I thought they could be.
Wisler knows how to pitch but doesn't have that bulldog mentality or the arsenal.
Yeah, born in 75 and started really watching the Braves in 83 myself. so in the same boat as you really. It's interesting to see the reactions from folks who have never really seen the Braves struggle in their lifetimes. Hopefully we make some good moves this offseason and in next years draft/international signings, cause that's going to determine whether we are down for 2-3 years or 5-6. The returns on our young pitching (outside of Miller) from the tradeoff this offseason are definitely not looking so hot at the moment.
But on the flipside just to add a bit of perspective:
Greg Maddux had an ERA over 5.50 through his first 180+ IP and 32 starts.
Glavine had an ERA close to 5 through his first 240 IP and 40ish starts
Randy Johnson had a 4.82 ERA in his first full season as a starter.
Our young pitchers still have plenty of time to turn it around. Still, they are looking ugly so far.
benchguy
High School Draftee
Yup. It's working all angles. I'd love to see the kids we have now like Folty, Wisler, and ManBan get it together, but I'm also open to the idea of quantity over quality. There's such a crazy attrition rate with pitching. The Braves in that era lucked out. Sometimes you need to play the odds, but still be patient.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I wouldn't be shocked if they finally trade AJ if he made it through waivers.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I don't think AJ clearing waivers will be an issue. He isn't seen around the league as well as he is here IMO. No good team will want him starting and his bad defense and personality doesn't make him an ideal back-up.
I've been a Braves fan since their final years in Milwaukee when I was in grade school. Most of that time has been pretty miserable--the early years in Atlanta, the 70s and being picked up on TBS in front of 3500 fans in Fulton County Stadium, regularly flirting with 100 loss seasons in the second half of the 80s, and the last few years. Even the exhilarating times of the early 90s were always tempered by the post season losses. Thank God for 1995.
Who knows if we'll ever even sniff another WS but I can always hope. At least nobody can ever call me a "bandwagon fan."
Who knows if we'll ever even sniff another WS but I can always hope. At least nobody can ever call me a "bandwagon fan."
msstate7
Well-known member
@DOBrienAJC
Olivera might get a little more time in Triple-A http://on-ajc.com/1EdBWkA #Braves
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I was hoping for a reason to keep watching
Olivera might get a little more time in Triple-A http://on-ajc.com/1EdBWkA #Braves
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I was hoping for a reason to keep watching
sturg33
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i don't really get this. It's not a service clock issue so why not just bring him up?
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Probably afraid he'll stink badly and hoping with a little more time they can avoid such a stinky start.
This is true. The casual fan who doesn't see the big picture will make a knee jerk reaction to his production. Those fans still buy tickets.
CrimsonCowboy
Moderator
Well, this was a fun road trip!
msstate7
Well-known member
Im not sure I see the big picture either. We hopefully filled a hole at 3b, but with no mlb experience and injury issues, I'm not sure. We created a hole in our starting rotation by dealing wood, which hopefully we can fill through FA. Even if we do, will the FA be an upgrade over wood? I'm not sold on Peterson to say the least, but we traded a top 50 2b prospect. Then throw in extending fredi and I'm not sure what we're doing. If Olivera bombs, I hate to even think of it...
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Some of you seem like you were expecting guys like Wisler to just be good right away.
What a completely ****ty year.
What a completely ****ty year.
Yep, they have already taken quite a bit of criticism for the overpay angle of the trade, if Olivera comes up and stinks it up for the last month or so you'd have an even more unhappy fanbase. Makes sense to only call him up once he's performing in AAA.