When was the last time a guy with such little minor league success did this well in the big leagues?
GDT 8/23/21: Braves vs. Skanks - 9 game win streak vs 9 game win streak
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When was the last time a guy with such little minor league success did this well in the big leagues?
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Well, his breakthrough has been simultaneous with a dramatic improvement in his control, which is possible for about a million other guys...difference is, Ynoa actually did it. It's worth pointing out, since we had very little pan out with the first wave of rebuilding pitching (Wisler, Folty, Jenkins, Newcomb, Gohara, Sims) which led some to question whether we could develop pitchers, that this is a guy who has improved massively in the Braves org. Maybe Touki has turned the corner, too.
Pretty much, which will always be the case with Snit at the helm. The Braves will never be able to consistently beat playoff caliber teams while being outmanaged in a tactical sense every single game.
Punting that PA in the 5th and allowing Ynoa to lead off was inexcusable. He was coming off the IL, and should not have been facing the order a 3rd time.
So the Braves got the double whammy of allowing the pitcher to hit in a tie game AND letting that pitcher face the top of the Yankees order a 3rd time. The results in the 6th were predictable, and the exact same thing has happened at least 20 times this season...punt a PA in a close game to get 1-3 more (mostly ineffective) outs from a tiring SP.
That single move costs the Braves on offense and then again on defense, and since the tiring SP rarely gets more than 1-3 outs, it doesn't even "save" the BP much at all. It's literally played out the same way over and over, and Snit just can't figure it out.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
What I noticed about him when he pitched briefly for the big club in 2019 and 2020 is that while he walked a lot of guys, he didn't appear to be all over the place. He was around the plate, but just off it enough so that major league hitters weren't inclined to chase it.
The complaints on Snitker are valid (as they have been all year), but bullpen usage has been such that we were likely to see the second string last night anyway. That's not an excuse for sending Ynoa back out there for the 6th, but the Santana/Chavez would have likely coughed up the game. Snitker just coughed it up earlier.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
It is not only the pitcher facing the lineup a 3rd time. It is the use of the pen. Chavez had not pitched since a week ago on Sunday. Sure. He is not a high leverage guy but you have to use him at some point. Twit literally has a bullpen script he found in Bobby Cox’s old desk that was published in 1986. Use this guy for the seventh. Use this guy for the eight. And use this guy for the ninth. Especially when his conversion percentage is high. Never let a bull pen guy go more than one inning unless it is tomlin. Never worry about situations or matchups. Just have a particular guy slotted for every inning. He is so old school that he has archeologists chiseling at his skull. I hate we are stuck with this fool for the foreseeable future and that he gets the praises from a lot of Braves fans who can’t see the Forrest through the trees.
Other than using Smith in the highest leverage spots regardless of platoon matchups, I don't have any real complaints with Snit's BP usage once he gets into the BP. Down by 2 is a time when the guys like Santana and Chavez should be pitching.
The biggest mistake Snit continually makes is allowing a tiring mediocre SP to bat in the 2nd half of a close game so that tiring mediocre SP can get 1-3 more outs, especially in a close game. It costs the Braves offense letting the pitcher hit. It costs the Braves on defense by letting a tiring SP face the lineup a 3rd time. And in return for those costs, the Braves get almost nothing in return because the BP was only "saved" from recording 1-3 outs. A BP with 9 guys (sometimes 10) available, by the way. There is no reason to punt a PA in exchange for extending a SP 1-3 more outs while rostering 14 pitchers.
The biggest mistake Snit continually makes is allowing a tiring mediocre SP to bat in the 2nd half of a close game so that tiring mediocre SP can get 1-3 more outs, especially in a close game. It costs the Braves offense letting the pitcher hit. It costs the Braves on defense by letting a tiring SP face the lineup a 3rd time. And in return for those costs, the Braves get almost nothing in return because the BP was only "saved" from recording 1-3 outs. A BP with 9 guys (sometimes 10) available, by the way. There is no reason to punt a PA in exchange for extending a SP 1-3 more outs while rostering 14 pitchers.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I guess my point was that he should have pulled Ynoa, but the Yankees were probably going to see Santana and Chavez before the evening is over and if the game is tied at that point, things aren't exactly rosy for the Braves. A team can't have eight studs in the bullpen, so the lesser lights will have to log innings at some point. Third time through is a good rule of thumb, but sooner or later your bullpen is going to get worn out if starters can't get into (and hopefully through) the sixth.
Perfectly logical point, which is why I don’t harp too much on Snits BP choices once he’s actually in the BP.
This issue is compounded by the fact Snit gave up a PA in the prior half inning in order to leave Ynoa in too long. It’s this double whammy Snit continues to hammer the team with over and over and over that’s my real beef. And it’s such an obvious error with such an obvious solution, so that makes it extra frustrating.
Southcack77
Well-known member
If they were into the seventh, I guess I do not understand why it's Santana and Chavez.
But it's also not a playoff game and not sure they have to be managed that way. If guys needed rest then I'm good. Haven't really looked into it.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
My problem with this is that I think Snit is managing to the win rule and save rule.
I'd bet a lot of money if we were up 2-1 after 5, then Snit pulls Ynoa and lets someone good start the 6th. But since we were tied he keeps him in there to face the order a third time.
The more I see Ynoa the more I think he could be legit. He may fall off like Archer as loses anything off his FB, but he looks like he could be a stuff 3 with two pitches. If he gets a third, he could be a legit guy.
I also get frustrated b/c I think we have a lot of guys who could be pretty dang good if we restricted them to two times through the line up in close/meaningful games. Snit will never do that.