You had some worried on this site too
GDT 8/23: Charlie and the boys throw it one last time again!
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You had some worried on this site too
Deester11
Well-known member
I totally missed the dumbax "trade Ozzie" spill. Not saying he can't be...but it ain't happening. Especially to slot Grissom in his place.
Strike3urout
Active member
It's tough to screw up when you have this kind of talent in an otherwise pedestrian division.
Snit is likely very good at the inter-personal side of his job, and at running the clubhouse (I have no insight, but there's no indication that it's not the case). That is the more difficult part of the job, and it's kind of marvelous that the Braves never seem to underperform, or fall apart, in the regular season. If his poor tactical decisions cost them a couple of winnable games, it doesn't move the needle in the regular season...
...but it will matter in the playoffs. Because the talent gap between the Braves and the average team is much smaller than in the regular season. And the frustrating part is that sound in-game management is actually easier to learn than Snitker's people skills. All you need is some basic tactical thinking, and a willingness to apply logic instead of gut feeling.
That's pretty much where I stand.
The playoffs is where it's gonna matter the most.
2021 playoffs I think most of us felt the front office was micromanaging snit because he was making decisions he usually didn't make in regards to bullpen usage and such.
In the playoffs where the margins are thinner, Snit needs to manage better. Thaf means realizing Rosario should not be in the outfield defensively past the 7th inning in a close game.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
This is where I stand too. In 21 the only tactical decision was pen and defense replacements. Same this year. 21 the pen was flawless. It didn’t matter who he called on. They dominated. Well except poor Luke.
Hopefully this year they will just bludgeon everyone to death.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
That’s kind of the point, isn’t it? Building an atmosphere that allows the players to optimize their skills and abilities, despite the challenges of actually performing at a high level over an extended period of time? The division wasn’t supposed to be a walkover, we certainly didn’t win the offseason, but when the season started we executed at the highest level while the rest had their problems. The Phillies are actually playing at a fairly high level but there’s no comparison, is there?
As for the tactical decision making, I would make some different decisions too, but let me ask you - has any manager anywhere at anytime made tactical decisions universally well-regarded by his fan base? It wasn’t long ago that one of the greatest managers in history was here and everyone agreed he was great to play for and the clubhouse was harmonious, his tactical decisions were roundly criticized at every turn, from his curious handling of the bullpen to his Sunday lineups to (pre-analytics) playing against the percentages.
Like everyone else here I have high hopes for October, and I’m pretty sure Snit gets the job done, despite the Monday morning quarterbacking and assertions that Anthopolous really runs the team in the playoffs. I suspect they have meetings and impart excellent analytical information and make sure Snit knows what he needs to to make informed decisions, as opposed to him being some sort of figurehead with Alex in an earpiece.
Hit the ball hard almost every time he came up to bat. Not sure why he's the one you are bashing.
But I am told the only way the out of a slump is to not have days off. At least that's what the Murphy fanboys keep telling me.
I don't know that anyone thought they would win the division, but this is not a team I want to face during the playoffs. Granted though, we should have Fried and Strider when we didn't last year.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I would hope that even the most simpliton could see a difference between a day off and 60% playing time.. but then I have seen your other comments and I am not so sure at this point.
NYCBrave
Well-known member
I'm not defending Snit as a tactician. But just to play devil's advocate. We've now been to the post season 5 times under Snitker. Has there been a series or even a game that we've lost due to his poor tactical decisions?
Has Snitker had a Fredi-Kimbrel NLDS 13 moment? Nothing stands out that egregiously.
I think with Snit, AA has built better rosters built for the playoffs for snit than Wren did for Fredi. It's more utilizing what he has. Although, Wren had two really great bullpens constructed in 2011-12. 11 unfortunately we never got to see in the playoffs. 12 we only played that one wild cars game.
Even if he makes the right moves and we still lose, it was still the right move.
Snit is still weird about using his best relievers when we're one run behind. I hope if that's the case in the playoffs things change now that there's more days off. Leaving Strider in too long in Philly was also bad. Everyone knew Strider's velo dropped. Should've gotten him out of there.
NYCBrave
Well-known member
2018 and 2020 nobody really expected us to beat the Dodgers so I don't blame Snit (and I can't recall a decision he made causing us to lose. 2019 to me was more on the front office with how they lined up the rotation (Keuchal twice and Folty twice, Soroka once) and used Fried out of the pen.
Snit is a terrible tactician.
Snit is a terrible manager.
Do I really have to explain how those are not equivalent statements? Is it impossible for some to comprehend that there are ways to improve upon a good manager’s weakness? Is any level of nuanced thought happening on this board, or is it either “love it or hate it”?
Snit is a terrible manager.
Do I really have to explain how those are not equivalent statements? Is it impossible for some to comprehend that there are ways to improve upon a good manager’s weakness? Is any level of nuanced thought happening on this board, or is it either “love it or hate it”?
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
I don’t know, maybe read the thread. Seems some good discourse is happening in the last few posts above you.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Leaving Strider in last year was almost equivalent to Fredi-Kimbrel in my book.
Strike3urout
Active member
The Braves clearly had the best roster in the division going into the season. The Mets have disappointed, yes, but the issues they've had didn't come out of nowhere (relying on two aging pitchers, lack of power etc.). The Phillies have met reasonable expectations: decent team, but playing for the wild card instead of the division.
Still, there's something to be said about steering the ship in the right direction for 6 months. Snit has done that since he became manager, year after year. He may not take the optimal course, but there's never any cases of mutiny or scurvy outbreaks on board.
Once the playoffs start. however, the ship has landed. The stakes alone will keep players focused, and the roster is set. Clubhouse management becomes less important. Now you need to pull the right levers to skew the odds in your favor.
I agree with you in that there don't seem to be many Bill Belichick type tactical geniuses out there. But that doesn't excuse a manager from getting basic decisions right. It also means that there's a cheap way to gain an edge. The manager doesn't even have to be super smart - he just needs to be less stupid than the other ones. (I would also argue that fans are not a good gauge to assess managerial decision making. Other fanbases are just as fickle as this one - they'll complain about objectively correct decisions if they don't produce the desired results).
The thing about tactical decision-making is that it's difficult to assess even in hindsight. A good decision may produce a bad result, and the impact on the overall outcome is often muddy. No manager is so good that he can single-handedly win or lose a game. It's about skewing the odds in your favor by a few percentage points.
It's like if you find a way to gain a 55-45 advantage on a series of coin flips. You may still lose 3 of the first 5 flips. You may not even flip often enough to notice the difference. But you still want that edge going forward.
Tapate50
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Hey everyone funs over. The babysitters back