msstate7
Well-known member
Exactly. No one will take up for snit here, but there's several that will take up for a man that's done just as bad a job.
GDT 8-5: Brewers at Braves; Game 2
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As opposed to eating his entire salary for.... nothing?
Yeah…he’s certainly been above average to this point, with some key errors maybe taking him out of the elite range. The past year doesn’t erase all the good work he’s done up to this point. This off-season will be key.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I clearly don't think he is a bottom 5 GM.. hell I couldn't name 5 GMs probably.. but I used that as a anti moniker to the 'top 5 GM' that got tossed around this past offseason. Even when I mentioned maybe he is not a top 5 GM, but was blasted for even suggesting that.
AA is who he is, a very conservative GM that won't make deals unless he feels it is a clear win.. which is good I guess. But I do think he wanted his own players under his terms. He signed Acuna and Ozzie quick.. same with Riley.. but he didn't hold allegiance to any of the core he didn't bring in. He used prospect capital that should have netted us a great LF and bought a new 1b.. a new catcher and he forgot about SS..
It is a fact that the Braves are a bottom 5 team this year. It is a fact that the farm has no help on the way right now. I am not going to excuse the man who put the team in that spot. Yes I get injuries.. yes I get performance decline.. but ultimately he is responsible for the teams record.. he is responsible for the decisions made on and off the field. There have been a lot of bad decisions on and off the field that has led to these injuries and performance declines. AA is responsible for the record this year.. period.
AA is who he is, a very conservative GM that won't make deals unless he feels it is a clear win.. which is good I guess. But I do think he wanted his own players under his terms. He signed Acuna and Ozzie quick.. same with Riley.. but he didn't hold allegiance to any of the core he didn't bring in. He used prospect capital that should have netted us a great LF and bought a new 1b.. a new catcher and he forgot about SS..
It is a fact that the Braves are a bottom 5 team this year. It is a fact that the farm has no help on the way right now. I am not going to excuse the man who put the team in that spot. Yes I get injuries.. yes I get performance decline.. but ultimately he is responsible for the teams record.. he is responsible for the decisions made on and off the field. There have been a lot of bad decisions on and off the field that has led to these injuries and performance declines. AA is responsible for the record this year.. period.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
That argument make zero sense to me.. I just don't get how anyone can see it like that. The Braves are paying for Ozuna and Iggy the rest of this season. every inning they play will hold zero value to the team.. zero, nothing, zilch. Now they could have eaten the money that they are going to pay anyway and got some low A ball lottery ticket that would probably hold zero value to the team.. but at least you have a probably in that statement. As it is now, it is definitely zero value to the team.
there is not a universe that will make me believe that no team would have given something up for a free reliever that had a sub 2 era last year or a free DH that was ops'ing over .800 before the Braves played him through a hip injury. There is no way
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Unless he quits, he is going to get another shot. He can blame twitner and company and get another offseason. Hopefully he sees that writing on the wall and takes the guards off a little..
Attendance is partly due to bad product and partly due to school being back in/college football.
I am interested in next season's attendance though.. it sounds like they really jacked up the prices on season ticket holders and if they go, then it could hurt.
AA went from being a top 5 GM to below average over the course of the last ~1.5 years. It’s impossible for someone to just get dumber, so it’s hard to understand what happened. But just 2 offseasons ago he’s the guy who pulled off the Sale/Lopez/Kekenic trio of moves with a 2/3 success rate.
It’s like starting with the Kelenic deal he started thinking he was so much smarter than everyone else he could just scheme his way into any move he wanted. When those schemes fail something is preventing him from pivoting to less desirable, but still acceptably good deals.
He better figure it out because this window is closing and he can’t keep wasting the few competitive season this roster has remaining.
It’s like starting with the Kelenic deal he started thinking he was so much smarter than everyone else he could just scheme his way into any move he wanted. When those schemes fail something is preventing him from pivoting to less desirable, but still acceptably good deals.
He better figure it out because this window is closing and he can’t keep wasting the few competitive season this roster has remaining.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I gave him props for the creative moves that got a potential hit for 5 years.. But it didn't work.. but it is like it shook him or something because he hasn't done crap since and continues to let Twit make horrible decision after horrible decisions that are hurting the players physically and figuratively.. I don't get it
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think he had a blueprint and he stuck to that blueprint religiously and lost sight of the fact that it's important in the current era to allow for flexibility when it's needed. When he took over, he did just that with short-term high-AAV deals (Donaldson, Ozuna first time around) to complement the core of players he inherited and it worked to a tee. Whether it's players refusing to sign one-year deals with high AAVs or something else, Anthopoulos went all-in on the extensions. He's made good and bad moves on the scale of Sale=Awesome to Kelenic=Terrible. I think where he misjudged things is that he believed (and Charles Schwab warns against this) "past performance equals future returns" and he lacks the flexibility to make significant changes because of the contract obligations.
Hudson2
Well-known member
Who cares that he didn't trade Ozuna and save money? It's not your money lol. They weren't gonna eat money just for the sake of it. It's still a business in the end and I don't blame em. Ozuna can rot on the bench the rest of the season. Him and. Iglesias have been mediocre this year and nobody seemed to want them unless we gave them away and ate all of their money. Every team bitches about their GM and manager being garbage so it's not new. I do admit Snit's time is up but AA is still one of the top GM in the game
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
So what you are saying is that it is better to pay Ozuna to not play, just PH sometimes and add no value versus to pay Ozuna to play for another club and get a lottery ticket back. Do you also think Ozuna sitting on the bench is better for him versus him getting a shot to play more with another club.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I mean, look at what Soroka got the gNats and the Cubs picked up the remaining salary of 9 million. So you guys really think that AA couldn't get a 40/45 fv guy for Riggy if the Braves paid his salary.. dude was a sub 2 era guy last year and just struggling with the homer ball due to a bad slider. Come on guys.. seriously. So AA decided to pay Iggy to hold zero value for a team going no where this year versus getting something in return at the same cost. How can anyone defend that.
The stats the players accumulate, and the wins the organization generate aren't yours, so why do you care how the team performs?
It should go without saying, but as fans of the team we want the team to perform well. Part of that performance is how the FO navigates things like a minor sell off during a lost season. So while I agree the prospects AA failed to acquire are likely meaningless, the complete failure to do anything at the deadline speaks to a larger issue...and that issue is AA coming across as an incompetent excuse-maker for several transaction periods in a row.
They are eating the money regardless while providing zero value to the current team.
Hudson2
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But you're assuming there was a lottery pick available. None of us know went on behind closed doors but if somebody offered us somebody with little to no upside then why pay Ozunas salary for somebody else to win? Makes 0 sense from a business standpoint point and that's what it is.
Hudson2
Well-known member
You're right but at least you're letting him hit for your team instead of somebody else's. I wanted to see moves made too but again we don't know what played out and what was offered. Most of these guys lie to save face but some of the time they are telling the truth also. It's coming out that he was after Buxton which is crazy to me given his injury history but that tells me he knows that OF is a place to be addressed with a legit player in 26. I'll give AA this coming offseason and if he doesn't fix most of this stuff then I'll grab my pitch fork and join yall.