GDT: 8/6/15 MARLINS @ BRAVES

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Wisler has had two tough outings a row, but it's good for him to rebound from these. I really like Perez. I didn't think I would, but I do!
 
All these arms we aquired... None are really working out too much thus far.

And not talking about Shelby.
 
zbhargrove said:
All these arms we aquired... None are really working out too much thus far.
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Perhaps you are expecting too much from rookies. Actually they're doing what you want young pitchers to do, get banged around some and still get out of the inning, give up 5 or 6 runs and still make it to 100 pitches, give up the dinger but come back with a strikeout. In short, bend but not break. These guys are still learning and EVERY pitcher goes through it. You absolutely want your young players to deal with adversity and grow a layer of crocodile skin, and this is the perfect year for them to do it.

It's unrealistic to expect young pitchers to regularly give you 7 innings of 1 or 2 run ball.
 
Runnin said:
Perhaps you are expecting too much from rookies. Actually they're doing what you want young pitchers to do, get banged around some and still get out of the inning, give up 5 or 6 runs and still make it to 100 pitches, give up the dinger but come back with a strikeout. In short, bend but not break. These guys are still learning and EVERY pitcher goes through it. You absolutely want your young players to deal with adversity and grow a layer of crocodile skin, and this is the perfect year for them to do it.

It's unrealistic to expect young pitchers to regularly give you 7 innings of 1 or 2 run ball.
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That goes for young players in general. The expectations around here are ridiculous.
 
Smoltz said in Studio 42 interview with Costas that one of the things different about today's game is, young pitchers aren't given enough time to figure it out. Like him and Glavine starting out rough, but Bobby gave them more time to figure it out and it paid off.

When Minor first came up he was a gas tank giving up bombs all the time. When he finally settled in and had as great as a second half as Medlen in 2012, he was still giving up some homers but he finally became a reliable starter. Injuries have obviously hurt him but if healthy he's about as good as any starter we have.
 
Castro is Exhibit A as to why statistics in the Dominican Summer League don't mean squat. He didn't even crack the Mendoza Line in two years in the league as a 17- and 18-year-old, got shipped to the Mexican League for a season-and-a-half where he really honed his game before the Braves brought him back to High A in 2013. Rapid ascent since. Looks like someone who can be a decent IF back-up.

Always hard to gauge in a season like this, but Eury Perez looks like he can at least be a decent 4th OF.
 
The Marlins were a sexy pick this off-season to surprise people. Seems they've surprised the people who thought they'd be good.
 
Runnin said:
Perhaps you are expecting too much from rookies. Actually they're doing what you want young pitchers to do, get banged around some and still get out of the inning, give up 5 or 6 runs and still make it to 100 pitches, give up the dinger but come back with a strikeout. In short, bend but not break. These guys are still learning and EVERY pitcher goes through it. You absolutely want your young players to deal with adversity and grow a layer of crocodile skin, and this is the perfect year for them to do it.

It's unrealistic to expect young pitchers to regularly give you 7 innings of 1 or 2 run ball.
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I'm not talking about normal struggles... I'm talking about concerning peripherals.
 
Runnin said:
Perhaps you are expecting too much from rookies. Actually they're doing what you want young pitchers to do, get banged around some and still get out of the inning, give up 5 or 6 runs and still make it to 100 pitches, give up the dinger but come back with a strikeout. In short, bend but not break. These guys are still learning and EVERY pitcher goes through it. You absolutely want your young players to deal with adversity and grow a layer of crocodile skin, and this is the perfect year for them to do it.

It's unrealistic to expect young pitchers to regularly give you 7 innings of 1 or 2 run ball.
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But then you see teams like the Mets calling up arm after arm in recent years (Harvey, Wheeler, Syndegaard, Matz) and all of them have pretty much had instant success. We really don't have anyone of that calibur.
 
NYCBrave said:
But then you see teams like the Mets calling up arm after arm in recent years (Harvey, Wheeler, Syndegaard, Matz) and all of them have pretty much had instant success. We really don't have anyone of that calibur.
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Well, we're trying to get there...
You missed deGrom, by the way.
 
yeezus said:
Well, we're trying to get there...
You missed deGrom, by the way.
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Right. I don't see how we're trying to get there though. The Mets got Wheeler (for Beltran) and Syndegaard (for Dickey) in trades. We didn't receive any ace caliber pitcher in trades.
 
NYCBrave said:
But then you see teams like the Mets calling up arm after arm in recent years (Harvey, Wheeler, Syndegaard, Matz) and all of them have pretty much had instant success. We really don't have anyone of that calibur.
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Neither do about 30 other teams. This may be a once in a generation pitching staff for them. But it's more likely that their struggles will come.
 
NYCBrave said:
Right. I don't see how we're trying to get there though. The Mets got Wheeler (for Beltran) and Syndegaard (for Dickey) in trades. We didn't receive any ace caliber pitcher in trades.
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That's not really true.
Fried is.
Shelby is.
We also didn't really trade anyone of Beltran's caliber (yes, I'm aware WAR says Jason is better; I don't agree, and Beltran's track record was great). Dickey was fresh off a Cy Young (but that trade is still terrible, to me. that's the cost of going for it).
 
Runnin said:
Neither do about 30 other teams. This may be a once in a generation pitching staff for them. But it's more likely that their struggles will come.
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It's absolutely going to be a once in a generation staff as long as these guys arms don't fall off.
 
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