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Carp said:
What are you smoking tonight? When adjusted, Nolan Ryan holds the record for fastest pitch at 108 MPH. He regularly was clocked around the 100 MPH throughout his career. Hell, he tore a ligament in his arm before his last pitch and the very next pitch he still threw it 98 MPH.

Your facts are wrong.
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I’m torn between my surprise that you actually think Ryan threw 108 mph and someone using W-L record to discredit his career.

Game threads get wacky.
 
Southcack77 said:
I’m torn between my surprise that you actually think Ryan threw 108 mph and someone using W-L record to discredit his career.

Game threads get wacky.
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He had a great career for 27 seasons. But he did not throw 100 mph each game. Pitches then if they threw like 95 each pitch would be elite. As a reliever, Braves most of them not name Tomlin throw 95 plus. Tomlin is old school and was a starting pitcher and pitched.

Ryan was good but these remarks on how awseome he was I laughed.

He like Blyleven pitched a long time to get their HOF winning credentials. Glavine, Smoltz, as a starter, Mad Dog didn't really blow people away every time.

108 mph and average 100 is simply laughable.
 
AerchAngel said:
He had a great career for 27 seasons. But he did not throw 100 mph each game. Pitches then if they threw like 95 each pitch would be elite. As a reliever, Braves most of them not name Tomlin throw 95 plus. Tomlin is old school and was a starting pitcher and pitched.

Ryan was good but these remarks on how awseome he was I laughed.

He like Blyleven pitched a long time to get their HOF winning credentials. Glavine, Smoltz, as a starter, Mad Dog didn't really blow people away every time.

108 mph and average 100 is simply laughable.
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The idea that a starting pitcher averaged 100 mph forty years ago or threw 108 when none have done it since is indeed unlikely but I’m not sure what anyone actually claimed.

He was awfully good when he was good.
 
If Folty played during Ryan time he would have better stats.

He is wild, yes, but not as Ryan was.

I am saying when Ryan was throwing the hardest, not 100 or 108, he as likely in the 95 to 98 area. A lot of starters are like that now but the hitters know that. Then the hitters would be struck out by Sutter and Garber easily. If either threw 95, they would be in Lee Smith territory.

Tomlin does not throw hard, he strikes out hitters that was gearing up to 100 mph pitches, which I think some of us can if they want, even the one we let go GausCanman.
 
Southcack77 said:
The idea that a starting pitcher averaged 100 mph forty years ago or threw 108 when none have done it since is indeed unlikely but I’m not sure what anyone actually claimed.

He was awfully good when he was good.
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Ryan was good for that time frame.

But his stats is like Franco due to time frame. But he played for 27 seasons, that is great in my eyes and he had a lot of strikeouts as well, which is good. But it is keeping your team in the game and winning the game that counts. He is a solid strikeout pitcher but he did NOT know how to pitch.

He would be killed today with the hitters we have now. Glavine and Mad Dog, will still be good because they know how to pitch. Julion is doing it and he throws just like they do.
 
I grew up in the 70's watching baseball.

Ryan, Seaver, Soto, Carlton.

Ferg Jenkins was the best of them. He was not a hard thrower, but he pitched like our vaulted three or four.

He pitched. Throwing 95 like Ryan could strike people out, they are not built like that now as hitters, they can crush it. You have to be smart to pitch even if you have that velocity. I've seen Gausman or Folty (100 to 102) and 98 and 99 and still get hit with ease and you say 100 I laugh, they did not throw that hard then.

Ryan would be crushed today and his record and strikeouts would not exist. Players are stronger and more keen to things like this.

But he did okay in his almost 30 year career.
 
AerchAngel said:
I grew up in the 70's watching baseball.

Ryan, Seaver, Soto, Carlton.

Ferg Jenkins was the best of them. He was not a hard thrower, but he pitched like our vaulted three or four.

He pitched. Throwing 95 like Ryan could strike people out, they are not built like that now as hitters, they can crush it. You have to be smart to pitch even if you have that velocity. I've seen Gausman or Folty (100 to 102) and 98 and 99 and still get hit with ease and you say 100 I laugh, they did not throw that hard then.

Ryan would be crushed today and his record and strikeouts would not exist. Players are stronger and more keen to things like this.

But he did okay in his almost 30 year career.
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You are right that Ryan wouldnt be as good today. Just like Aaron, Mays, Ruth, etc wouldn't be as great as they were. Chipper would of been like Ted Williams back in the 40s. There is a reason we compare players to who they play with.
 
Southcack77 said:
I’m torn between my surprise that you actually think Ryan threw 108 mph and someone using W-L record to discredit his career.

Game threads get wacky.
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How do we have so many people that don't understand math? I've listed the data. It's literally there for all to see.
 
AerchAngel said:
He had a great career for 27 seasons. But he did not throw 100 mph each game. Pitches then if they threw like 95 each pitch would be elite. As a reliever, Braves most of them not name Tomlin throw 95 plus. Tomlin is old school and was a starting pitcher and pitched.

Ryan was good but these remarks on how awseome he was I laughed.

He like Blyleven pitched a long time to get their HOF winning credentials. Glavine, Smoltz, as a starter, Mad Dog didn't really blow people away every time.

108 mph and average 100 is simply laughable.
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I never said he averaged 100 mph. I said he regularly threw 100 MPH. And by ALL accounts (again this information is literally available all over the internet) that is absolutely true. I've listed the SI article that plainly states he threw 100 MPH and the mathematical equivalent if it was measured the same way today.
 
Southcack77 said:
The idea that a starting pitcher averaged 100 mph forty years ago or threw 108 when none have done it since is indeed unlikely but I’m not sure what anyone actually claimed.

He was awfully good when he was good.
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No one said he averaged 100 MPH at any point in his career. Chapman is the only pitcher to average 100 mph over at least 1 full season since they started gauging pitch speed. Ryan absolutely averaged mid to upper 90's and touched 100 MPH regularly. This is documented. I not sure why anyone would argue against documented statistical facts. And he was still registering radar guns as high as 97 at age 42 (though he was only averaging 93 by this time).

The 108 mph comes from equating the difference in the points at which they were recorded. This site explains where this data comes from. Again, this isn't an opinion. I'm not sure why this argument is still going on and why people can't understand math or at least do a little research. I mean a 5 second google search of "Nolan Ryan mph" literally links you to several sites that state the exact thing I'm saying.

http://www.efastball.com/baseball/stats/fastest-pitch-speed-in-major-leagues/
 
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Ryan retired from baseball because, while the assault rifle ban was lifted, the ban on Ryan's fastball remains in effect. I mean, c'mon. Common sense.
 
DC Comics is doing a mega event where the Flash has to outrun a Ryan fastball to save the world. We are doomed.
 
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