GDT 8-9.... JULIO BLACKENS THE FISH IN CAJUN GOODNESS.....
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Tapate50
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I don’t know why stupid posters follow this line of thought. It’s clearly unsustainable. Derp!
Southcack77
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I’m not prepared to take whatever that source is as the definitive word on the mathematics of the situation.
The implied claim that Ryan could throw a pitch three miles per hour faster than anyone (including himself) who has been measured the current way l ass one to question whether the methodology is accurate.
The recreated claim that this odd website proves this claim mathematically is bizarre.
There is zero way you actually came to this conclusion if you bothered to read the article. We already know Ryan was clocked at 100 MPH from 10 feet in front of the plate. Chapman was clocked about 105 just a few feet from where the ball left his hand. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out a ball loses velocity the closer it gets to the plate. Based on the measurements, velocity, and angle we can prove that Ryan's fastball crossed the plate at roughly 99.1 MPH, while Chapman's crossed the plate at roughly 96.5 MPH. Again, this is math, not an opinion. If you don't understand the math, then your argument is invalid. If you disgaree with the math, then please feel free to point out the flaws.
BTW, Bob Feller clocked in at 98.6 mph on a cronograph (typically more accurate than Radar) placed over home plate, making him the 2nd fastest ever.
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AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
My dad who watched Feller said he threw had, just like Koufax and especially Drysdale.
You might correct using science but when it crosses the plate that is what people said. Dad said and I even watched Ryan pitch he was inaccurate a lot. He believes like me he is between 92 to 98 on average but a devastating curve. He said he, Soto and Seaver threw that hard. Richard was a tier lower but his height intimidated hitters.
He said that Ryan curve was nasty but he said Blyleven was better and not close.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
My dad pitched for the Cubs but not in the majors. He knows all these pitchers, he is in his mid 70's and tell me these things.
He was too small they said. He threw in the upper 80's which was good in the 60's.
But when I grew up he would play with me and my brother, not fair. His fastballs would rise and the curve, well we bailed all the time. We had tin back then and they are the best things to have for a strike zone. My brother and I learned to switch hit because of him.
He was too small they said. He threw in the upper 80's which was good in the 60's.
But when I grew up he would play with me and my brother, not fair. His fastballs would rise and the curve, well we bailed all the time. We had tin back then and they are the best things to have for a strike zone. My brother and I learned to switch hit because of him.
Ryan probably did average around 95-98 for much of his career (he himself acknoeledges this in his book). No one is gonna throw 100 mph every pitch (not even Chapman). But he did hit 100 mph throughout his career and was still touching a high of 97 as late as age 42.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
South, using science Carp is correct.
But the definition is crossing the plate. He was mid 90's at best, but not accurate.
But the definition is crossing the plate. He was mid 90's at best, but not accurate.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
My dad said the same thing. He said 92 to 95 or 94 on average and can touch 99 to a 100 but not accurate.
but then the hitters couldn't touch him.
Nowadays they would kill him.
So? Aaron, Mays, Mantle would not be inner circle HOFers in todays game. You are compared to your peers for a reason.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
That said when he was with the Cubs, if you throw hard, they like you, but you need to be accurate, he was but he did not had the stamina to stay.
Like I said, he was not nice to me and my brother. We learn to hit left handed because of his curve ball and we start hammering it.
I almost batted .400 in high school but my coach did not even get me offers. My brother two years younge, four inches taller, his fastball was in the mid 90's and got offers and the coach asked him where do you want to go, but he was all-state in basketball and he did not like baseball that much.
Michael Broadway who I had Shanks look at and we got, was like my brother, he had issues and he was from the smallest counties in our state, but he could have played basketball in Div 1, he was really good. So he did the opposite of my brother.
I played with Terry Shumpert and Steve Finlay.
Like I said, he was not nice to me and my brother. We learn to hit left handed because of his curve ball and we start hammering it.
I almost batted .400 in high school but my coach did not even get me offers. My brother two years younge, four inches taller, his fastball was in the mid 90's and got offers and the coach asked him where do you want to go, but he was all-state in basketball and he did not like baseball that much.
Michael Broadway who I had Shanks look at and we got, was like my brother, he had issues and he was from the smallest counties in our state, but he could have played basketball in Div 1, he was really good. So he did the opposite of my brother.
I played with Terry Shumpert and Steve Finlay.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Good one, I asked that same question.
He said that Aaron would not have hit many homers and either Mays but they would be good mid level players until they've adjusted, Aaron would have. Lets say McGriff or Justice type of hitting and good hitters.
IMO they would still be HOFers but not top 5 players ever. The truth is many of todays top players would crush the game 50+ years ago. It's the same in most sports.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
He said the same thing.
The hitters now would kill the pitchers then. If he can throw upper 80's and decent, they will kill him.
He said 30 years ago. Seaver, Soto, Carlton and even Ryan would get crushed now.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
I asked dad about pitching to those Cubs hitters.
He said they are so good. Even if I can get to 90, they crush it. I did not know how to get those hitters out.
They like my stuff but they believe I could not do it for 9 innings. Which I agree but I had other options, he took the government job.
My brother and I are taller than my dad. Sav can tell you I am not short.
He said they are so good. Even if I can get to 90, they crush it. I did not know how to get those hitters out.
They like my stuff but they believe I could not do it for 9 innings. Which I agree but I had other options, he took the government job.
My brother and I are taller than my dad. Sav can tell you I am not short.
At the same time, give Aaron, Mantle, or Mays access to better facilities, diet programs, etc and perhaps they could have been even better. I feel pretty comfortable in saying Ted Williams would be Ted Williams in any era. He had better than perfect vision, super quick hands, and an incredible baseball IQ.
I just think the overall league has better talent in todays game. So their OPS+ and WAR numbers would be lower when playing with better players. Also they had no bullpen specialization back then.
They also played the majority of their careers before the mound was lowered and in larger parks.
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Southcack77
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Cool, you read one source that used a questionable mechanic to estimate velocity and arrived at a number that is a total outlier for the entire recorded history of baseball. It’s math though can’t argue with it.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I dont think Hank would have much trouble with the modern fastball. There are more nasty sliders now, which would give him some trouble.