GDT 9/25/24: Braves vs Mets - Sale for the Triple Crown

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Now this is goofy. Braves need all the wins they can get as soon as they can get them. You have to try and make sure you get those wins. I swear whoever the decision maker is on this stuff thinks way too hard on it.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
So Sale hurt or are the Braves trying to save him for WC games that might not happen. If Sale pitches anything later than Saturday then he is toast for WC round for sure. So this is either Sale not feeling right or Kimbrel standing in the pen while the Dodgers take the lead.
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Highly likely that they are waiting to see what happens tonight and tomorrow night. KC's magic # to make the playoffs is 3. If they win today (currently tied 4-4), and the Twins lose, they will be 3 up with 3 to go. That means they could potentially clinch a playoff berth without having to win any more games.

With 5 games left for us, and Monday being a double header, it's all about playing the matchups at this point, and those matchups could change depending on what happens the next 2 days.
 
CyYoung31 said:
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Now this is goofy. Braves need all the wins they can get as soon as they can get them. You have to try and make sure you get those wins. I swear whoever the decision maker is on this stuff thinks way too hard on it.
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I don't agree. It will likely come down to Monday anyways. KC could potentially clinch a playoff berth tomorrow night even if they don't win. In that scenario, I would take my chances with Lopez and Charlie vs the Royals AAA pitchers.

I want Sale potentially starting on Monday with the season on the line. And in the optimal scenario where AZ loses 2 of their next 3 games and we win 2 of our next 3, Sale will be able to throw game 1 of the playoffs.
 
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Carp said:
I don't agree. It will likely come down to Monday anyways. KC could potentially clinch a playoff berth tomorrow night even if they don't win. In that scenario, I would take my chances with Lopez and Charlie vs the Royals AAA pitchers.

I want Sale potentially starting on Monday with the season on the line. And in the optimal scenario where AZ loses 2 of their next 3 games and we win 2 of our next 3, Sale will be able to throw game 1 of the playoffs.
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You have to win the games in front of you, and you have to at least win the Royals series. And if you sweep it gives you a good chance to not have to play one of those games on Monday. You have to worry about tomorrow later at this point.
 
If we lose tomorrow, and AZ and NY win, it's obviously something to consider. But at this point, shooting for Sale to start to Monday or ideally game 1 of the WC round is the way to go. No point in shooting your wad early if you don't have to.
 
KC just took the lead in the 9th. 6-4. Witt Jr up with 2 outs and a runner on 2nd, with a chance to extend the lead.
 
Carp said:
If we lose tomorrow, and AZ and NY win, it's obviously something to consider. But at this point, shooting for Sale to start to Monday or ideally game 1 of the WC round is the way to go. No point in shooting your wad early if you don't have to.
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Sale won’t be able to pitch in the WC round unless he pitches tomorrow.
 
I think you and the Braves are over thinking this Carp. You have to win games regardless of the order of wins. The Royals won't rest their hitters much if at all...

Also, KC doesn't hold the tie breaker so if twins win tonight even with the Royals win, the Royals tech only hold a 1 game lead. KC will bring their best this weekend and expecting anything less is dumb.

The Braves should bring their best available when available.. Sale tonight Fried tomorrow.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Sale won’t be able to pitch in the WC round unless he pitches tomorrow.
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If we sweep KC and AZ loses at least 2 games to SD or NY gets swept by the Brewers, we would clinch a playoff spot on Sunday. We can throw Elder and Vines on Monday if we wanted to.

So yes, there is still a scenario where Sale could be game 1 starter in the WC round.
 
Carp said:
If we sweep KC and AZ loses at least 2 games to SD or NY gets swept by the Brewers, we would clinch a playoff spot on Sunday. We can throw Elder and Vines on Monday if we wanted to.

So yes, there is still a scenario where could game 1 starter in the WC round.
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what if all three win on Friday and KC clinches their spot. Do you still hold Sale back even though you need a win. What happens if all three win Sat and you still have Sale. Do you throw him Sunday now.. if you do that, then he is toast for WC round.

this is monumentally dumb imo. win your damn games and plan for the variables you know. Right now the Braves know if they win the rest of their games they are in. That is the ONLY thing they know.
 
Enscheff said:
The league is always run by an owners puppet. They literally hire and fire him.

Looks like the Braves decided to inflict this pain on themselves and the Mets. Clearly it was a poor choice, and the championship hopes will suffer for it.
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What championship hopes? Any remote hope of that kind of season ended with Jr. in Pittsburgh.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I think you and the Braves are over thinking this Carp. You have to win games regardless of the order of wins. The Royals won't rest their hitters much if at all...

Also, KC doesn't hold the tie breaker so if twins win tonight even with the Royals win, the Royals tech only hold a 1 game lead. KC will bring their best this weekend and expecting anything less is dumb.

The Braves should bring their best available when available.. Sale tonight Fried tomorrow.
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Incorrect. With the Royals winning today, their magic # is now 2. The have a 2.5 game lead on Minn. If Minny loses tonight, KC's lead is 3 games and their magic # goes to 1.

Seattle is officially eliminated now.
 
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bravesfanMatt said:
what if all three win on Friday and KC clinches their spot. Do you still hold Sale back even though you need a win. What happens if all three win Sat and you still have Sale. Do you throw him Sunday now.. if you do that, then he is toast for WC round.

this is monumentally dumb imo. win your damn games and plan for the variables you know. Right now the Braves know if they win the rest of their games they are in. That is the ONLY thing they know.
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And at this point, the Braves should plan to follow matchups until we are forced not to. That is the best case scenario for us.

If the Royals clinch tomorrow night (ideally by Minny losing tonight and tomorrow), throwing Charlie/Lopez against the Royals AAA pitchers is a far better matchup for us than having Charlie/Lopez and Schwelly going up against the Mets in an elimination game(s).
 
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Carp said:
Incorrect. With the Royals winning today, their magic # is now 2. The have a 2.5 game lead on Minn. If Minny loses tonight, KC's lead is 3 games and their magic # goes to 1.

Seattle is officially eliminated now.
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how was I incorrect. KC magic number is 2.. if Min wins tonight (against triple A fish) then the magic number is still 2.. which means KC either needs 2 more wins or a win and minny loss.. which is the same exact thing as saying KC basically holds a 1 game lead going into todays games.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I think you and the Braves are over thinking this Carp. You have to win games regardless of the order of wins. The Royals won't rest their hitters much if at all...

Also, KC doesn't hold the tie breaker so if twins win tonight even with the Royals win, the Royals tech only hold a 1 game lead. KC will bring their best this weekend and expecting anything less is dumb.

The Braves should bring their best available when available.. Sale tonight Fried tomorrow.
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Let's be real. When the Royals clinch their next game is going to have a Bobby Cox Sunday Special lineup.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
how was I incorrect. KC magic number is 2.. if Min wins tonight (against triple A fish) then the magic number is still 2.. which means KC either needs 2 more wins or a win and minny loss.. which is the same exact thing as saying KC basically holds a 1 game lead going into todays games.
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No it isn't the same thing. It isn't "technically a 1 game lead." A 2 game lead is a 2 game lead, regardless of tie breakers.
 
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Let's just hope the Twins lose tonight and tomorrow. That removes any chance of Ragans pitching in the series as they will want to keep him for game 1 of the wild card.
 
Carp said:
No it isn't the same thing. It isn't "technically a 1 game lead." A 2 game lead is a 2 game lead, regardless of tie breakers.
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a 2 game lead without a tie breaker.. lets break it down

fri KC loss/ twin win 1 game lead
sat KC win/ twin win 1 game lead
sun KC loss/ twins win (twins win division)

now 2 game lead with tie breaker which KC doesn't have
fri KC loss/ twins win 1 game lead
sat Kc win/twin win 1 game lead -- KC wins division
sun KC loss/ twins win tie (yeah KC still the winner)

since minny has the tie breaker KC has to win 2 games or 1 game and 1 minny loss or 2 minny losses. if it was a true 2 game lead with 3 to play then 1 KC win would win the division.

Not sure how you are not seeing that.
 
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