GDT: Braves @ Dodgers (NLDS Game 4, October 7, 2013)

How many people have said Justin Upton is a superstar? Isn't calling him overrated a bit of an overreaction? I haven't seen too many people on here rating him as one of the best hitters in baseball. We hoped he would become that but as of yet he hasn't. Still could however. If he's overrated then all of our hitters are overrated, maybe except Freeman.
 
gtcway said:
Watching that game last night, the Dodgers hitters reminded me of the late 90's Yankees. You just knew when they were down late in the game they were going to score, and there wasn't a pitcher around that could stop them. They just had "it".
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They have a better 1-8 than I thought they did. Puig is the real deal and Uribe and the two Ellises are solid big league players. I see Puig becoming a superstar. Watching him scale back his game a bit and just drive the ball up the middle was pretty impressive. He's just going to build on that. He's very well schooled in the fundamentals (as most Cuban players are).
 
There were plenty of people questioning the move to not bring in Kimbrel in the 8th before it backfired.

Look, you can dispute whether we should fault Fredi for it or not, because I agree that most big league managers would have done the same. But you absolutely cannot dispute that not using the best pitcher in baseball in an elimination game was the wrong move.
 
holden said:
There were plenty of people questioning the move to not bring in Kimbrel in the 8th before it backfired.

Look, you can dispute whether we should fault Fredi for it or not, because I agree that most big league managers would have done the same. But you absolutely cannot dispute that not using the best pitcher in baseball in an elimination game was the wrong move.
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It's a tough call because Kimbrel isn't called upon often secure multi-inning saves, but I would have pitched him for six outs, facing elimination.
 
Again, saying you wouldn't use him for six outs is missing the point.

Would you rather use him for Puig, Uribe, Schumacher or Ellis, PH, Crawford? Easy choice.
 
holden said:
Again, saying you wouldn't use him for six outs is missing the point.

Would you rather use him for Puig, Uribe, Schumacher or Ellis, PH, Crawford? Easy choice.
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And anyways, I said I would have used him for six, but I agree with your point.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Still disagree. Every manager in the playoffs goes with their set up man in the 8th then their closer in the 9th.

It's really easy to criticize in hindsight because it didn't work out. It's not like Carpenter was a scrub reliever. He'd posted dominant numbers all year. You dance with what got you there. Our bullpen has saved us so many games this year and kept us in so many games. Carpenter wanted the ball too, it's not like Gonzalez forced it upon him.
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Joe Madden and coaches like him laugh at your thoughts

Joe Torre used mariano rivera for over 25% of his saves in the post season to get 6 outs
 
jpx7 said:
It's a tough call because Kimbrel isn't called upon often secure multi-inning saves, but I would have pitched him for six outs, facing elimination.
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Kimbrel pitched 2.0 innings in the 2010 NLDS game 2 as a rookie!! Threw 33 pitches after already being used in game 1!!! One of the reasons he isn't called on for more 2-inning saves is to keep him fresh for these exact situations! No single game in the regular seasons matters this much.

Of course, we had a manager back then who in hindsight seems like a genius by comparison...
 
Strike3urout said:
Kimbrel pitched 2.0 innings in the 2010 NLDS game 2 as a rookie!! Threw 33 pitches after already being used in game 1!!! One of the reasons he isn't called on for more 2-inning saves is to keep him fresh for these exact situations! No single game in the regular seasons matters this much.

Of course, we had a manager back then who in hindsight seems like a genius by comparison...
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All good points.
 
I lost about 5 hours of sleep over the last 2 days because I couldnt stop being pissed about Kimbrel not pitching. I think I am finally starting to get over it. Just want to say I am not mad at Carpenter and I think its impressive that he got 3 straight outs after that home run. I think a lot of non-veteran pitchers would get rattled knowing they just lost the season for their team.
 
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