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There was a general who tried to inform the American people about the failures in Afghanistan.

This angered the global aristocracy so they set him up to look like a criminal.
 
We need to stop trying to export democracy and just use punitive raids when we feel military action is necessary. The best day to get out of Afghanistan was the day we invaded. The second best day has been every day since. I applaud the decision to leave. The execution and the ignorant, naive worldview are where I place blame solely on the current administration.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I dont see what the first and second paragraph have to do with each other. Would poor people in poor countries prefer to be poor in the richest country on Earth? Duh, but it has little to do with human rights.



We may not he the worst but we are far from the model for human rights. We incarcerate people at a higher rate than any country on Earth outside of ones like North Korea where we dont have reliable data. Our rate is 5 times higher than the world average. I know you wont agree but the war on drugs launched by the US and forced onto other countries is a holocaust in slow motion.
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We are so so so so much further than the majority of the world in terms of personal freedom. Do we have problems? Of course (the incarceration rate you highlighted is one of them - though I don’t understand why you would think I support the war on drugs.)

I don’t agree with the idea that some have (not suggesting you) that you have to have your house in perfect order before helping others. There’s a lot of scared people in Afghanistan right now that wish we weren’t abandoning them.
 
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chop2chip said:
We are so so so so much further than the majority of the world in terms of personal freedom. Do we have problems? Of course (the incarceration rate you highlighted is one of them - though I don’t understand why you would think I support the war on drugs.)

I don’t agree with the idea that some have (not suggesting you) that you have to have your house in perfect order before helping others. There’s a lot of scared people in Afghanistan right now that wish we weren’t abandoning them.
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We could have stayed for another 50 years and the Talibans influence would still have put the Afghan people at risk.

Any functioning government had a short useful life.
 
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thethe said:
We could have stayed for another 50 years and the Talibans influence would still have put the Afghan people at risk.

Any functioning government had a short useful life.
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Not if you took care of Iran first. Regime change in Iran will enable dominoes to fall throughout the Middle East.
 
Krgrecw said:
Not if you took care of Iran first. Regime change in Iran will enable dominoes to fall throughout the Middle East.
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Its whack a mole.

You will never defeat radical Islam. You have to find a way to mitigate their influence.
 
thethe said:
We could have stayed for another 50 years and the Talibans influence would still have put the Afghan people at risk.

Any functioning government had a short useful life.
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My personal feeling is that leaving was the correct decision, but that we needed to do it after we evacuated as many of our allies within the country as possible.
 
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My personal feeling is that leaving was the correct decision, but that we needed to do it after we evacuated as many of our allies within the country as possible.
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The Trump admin plan was to do it before fighting season.

Biden for some reason waited until the peak of fighting season.

That is one of many blunders of this current group of losers. How many hours the last few months have been wasted on 'White Rage'?
 
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US Government pleading with the Taliban to keep the people at the airport safe.

Feckless. Weak. Illigitimate.

Audits must now be done EVERYWHERE. We can't risk another day with an illigitimate presidency.
 
Krgrecw said:
But pulling out of Afghanistan has the opposite effect of what you desire?
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Its day 1 of the pullout. We weren't safe when we were in Afghanistan until Trump took our the physical caliphate.

It was a resources suck from teh global aristocracy. Pilfering the wealth of our nation.

The embarrassment to the nation was compounded by the moves of this iligitimate regime.
 
I for one feel great that our admin has correctly prioritized Americans who oppose covid restrictions as the true terror threat.
 
chop2chip said:
My personal feeling is that leaving was the correct decision, but that we needed to do it after we evacuated as many of our allies within the country as possible.
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This.

Pulling out was long overdue but how do you not evacuate your own people before doing it???
 
The people falling from the US plane is horrifying. I don't dispute the need to exit Afghanistan but running out with our tail tucked between our legs and literally killing innocent people in our rush is just sickening. It's shameful. We have the ability to fight back and ensure an orderly withdrawal but instead we've chosen to run an hide. It turns my stomach.
 
Pretty good op-ed by Michael Gerson on credibly accused creepy joe's ****up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/16/trump-afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-catastrophe/

money quote:

The United States’ war in Afghanistan formally ended in 2014. The maintenance of a few thousand troops to support the Afghan military and conduct counterterrorist operations had a cost. But that cost was minimal compared with the price of the Taliban’s complete triumph in Afghanistan — the humanitarian disaster, the harm to American credibility, the destabilizing flow of refugees, the morale boost for Islamism and the likely incubation of new terrorist threats.

Keeping our commitment in Afghanistan — a small commitment for a superpower — would not have been “kicking the can” down the road. It would have been the wise, sustainable, realistic use of U.S. resources to avoid disaster. The United States has many foreign policy and military commitments that are useful but not ideal or final.
 
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