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thethe said:
So still nothing you have proposed other than a vague “do better”.
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On the other hand, you seem to be taking the approach that every Palestinian citizen is fair game because Hamas is bad. Doing better should be the goal, I’m just not a ****ing military strategist.
 
chop2chip said:
There’s no way the last part is palatable. You’re incentivizing future attacks if you reward them
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Then I guess human rights violations and murdering civilians is just the way. You don’t have to condone terrorism to think the way the Israeli government treats ordinary Palestinians is wrong.
 
thethe said:
In his worldview it’s Israel that’s the aggressor and needs to change.
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Well yeah… but you also can’t just carpet bomb the human shields either. I’m sympathetic to the challenge. Israel is in a tough position and the world is watching.
 
chop2chip said:
Well yeah… but you also can’t just carpet bomb the human shields either. I’m sympathetic to the challenge. Israel is in a tough position and the world is watching.
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I agree you can’t carpet bomb and I don’t believe that’s what Israel will do because they know it instantly changes the compassion around the world. But lots of innocent civilians will die in Gaza and that’ll be solely because of Hamas.
 
mqt said:
On the other hand, you seem to be taking the approach that every Palestinian citizen is fair game because Hamas is bad. Doing better should be the goal, I’m just not a ****ing military strategist.
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They aren’t fair game. Their lives being ended are at the fault of Hamas though and not Israel.
 
mqt said:
Then I guess human rights violations and murdering civilians is just the way. You don’t have to condone terrorism to think the way the Israeli government treats ordinary Palestinians is wrong.
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“How they treat them”

The same people that nominate Hamas to run the place. Maybe be better as a people.
 
thethe said:
I agree you can’t carpet bomb and I don’t believe that’s what Israel will do because they know it instantly changes the compassion around the world. But lots of innocent civilians will die in Gaza and that’ll be solely because of Hamas.
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This right here is where you’re wrong. We completely agree that Hamas has blood on its hands. That fact does not provide Israel with a blank check to do whatever it wishes.
 
mqt said:
Then I guess human rights violations and murdering civilians is just the way. You don’t have to condone terrorism to think the way the Israeli government treats ordinary Palestinians is wrong.
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Something something nuance.

Israel shouldn’t murder civilians. Hamas is evil and should cease to exist. Do we agree on that?

Hamas isn’t attacking Israel because of human rights violations. They don’t want Jews occupying the region. The only long term solution they are interested in is forced removal.
 
mqt said:
This right here is where you’re wrong. We completely agree that Hamas has blood on its hands. That fact does not provide Israel with a blank check to do whatever it wishes.
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If Hamas didn’t use their own people as shields very few if any civilians would be killed.
 
thethe said:
If Hamas didn’t use their own people as shields very few if any civilians would be killed.
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If Israel didn’t see the death of these human shields as an acceptable externality, we’d also see fewer civilians killed.
 
chop2chip said:
Something something nuance.

Israel shouldn’t murder civilians. Hamas is evil and should cease to exist. Do we agree on that?

Hamas isn’t attacking Israel because of human rights violations. They don’t want Jews occupying the region. The only long term solution they are interested in is forced removal.
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We do. The real question is what can be done to fix things beyond merely not blowing up civilians. The plan of the past 70 years is clearly not working.
 
Let’s never forget that Husseins plan was to always enrich Iran and destabilize the Middle East for Israel.
 
thethe said:
He doesn’t care about Israelis or Jews in general. It’s always the same arguments coming from the same group.
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Lol, what? How does not wanting Palestinians to be blown up by the state of Israel mean I don’t care what happens to Israelis or other Jews? I’m anti-war, particularly when it comes to bombing. Surprisingly I’m also anti-terrorism, and don’t accept Hamas’ attacks as justified, even if I have concerns about the current state of Israel/Palestine.
 
mqt said:
Lol, what? How does not wanting Palestinians to be blown up by the state of Israel mean I don’t care what happens to Israelis or other Jews? I’m anti-war, particularly when it comes to bombing. Surprisingly I’m also anti-terrorism, and don’t accept Hamas’ attacks as justified, even if I have concerns about the current state of Israel/Palestine.
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What I do know is immediately following hundreds of innocent women and children being murdered and thousands other tortured your first thought was the poor Palestinian people and immediately back door excuse actions done by Hamas because of Israels responses to historical aggressions. Its you who thinks of one people as irrelevant.
 
thethe said:
What I do know is immediately following hundreds of innocent women and children being murdered and thousands other tortured your first thought was the poor Palestinian people and immediately back door excuse actions done by Hamas because of Israels responses to historical aggressions. Its you who thinks of one people as irrelevant.
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The left can't handle the fact that radical Islam is the problem so they invent so many ridiculous equivalencies in their heads to compensate for that fact.
 
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