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Also, I am not actively committing felony. either. My presence in America and my everyday routine (work, driving, etc.) is not a felony.
 
Also, I am not actively committing felony. either. My presence in America and my everyday routine (work, driving, etc.) is not a felony.

Yeah **** those people for being born on the wrong side of a border who want to come here to work and do no harm to you.
 
I think those surrendering to border agents are doing exactly what the law calls for with respect to those who have a claim to asylum. If those asylum laws are not working as we intended our government can always change them. Or we can treat it as a political football and demonize people as rapists and murderers. That's a bit easier.
 
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They do indeed do harm. It's been posted a thousand times.

And indeed, **** those people who disregard our border laws.

Some of them do harm. You can't take a million people of any group and not have some ****bergs in them. Even Priests. Especially Priests.

The incoming President has 34 felony conviction, is out on bail for RICO charges and has 2 more separate felony charges pending his exit from the White House. Let's not play this rule of law game
 
Some of them do harm. You can't take a million people of any group and not have some ****bergs in them. Even Priests. Especially Priests.

The incoming President has 34 felony conviction, is out on bail for RICO charges and has 2 more separate felony charges pending his exit from the White House. Let's not play this rule of law game

I am not talking about the hard criminals doing harm. I am talking about the harm the illegals do to the average American. We just spent over 150 billion in tax payer money over the past fiscal year supporting illegals. Illegal immigration also affects housing costs, utilities, healthcare etc.
 
Illegal immigrants build and repair the roofs over our heads, prepare our favorite meals, mow our lawns, take care of our children and older relatives. They pick our crops and work in food processing plants. No one is forced to hire an illegal immigrant. We do so because we like the services they provide. The dirty little secret is this is yugely beneficial to Americans. Often it is has an element of exploitation, with the exploitation benefiting Americans.
 
Illegal immigrants build and repair the roofs over our heads, prepare our favorite meals, mow our lawns, take care of our children and older relatives. They pick our crops and work in food processing plants. No one is forced to hire an illegal immigrant. We do so because we like the services they provide. The dirty little secret is this is yugely beneficial to Americans. Often it is has an element of exploitation, with the exploitation benefiting Americans.

This is an old adage that has largely been disproved (and it's ironically become more a racist trope for Dems, so congrats on that I guess). People aren't going to Lowes and Home Depot anymore to pick up illegals for a day of work.
 
This is an old adage that has largely been disproved (and it's ironically become more a racist trope for Dems, so congrats on that I guess). People aren't going to Lowes and Home Depot anymore to pick up illegals for a day of work.

They line up at certain gas stations and other locations at dawn and if a contractor needs a crew he knows where to find them. Ditto for a farmer who needs his crops picked.
 
Illegal immigrants build and repair the roofs over our heads, prepare our favorite meals, mow our lawns, take care of our children and older relatives. They pick our crops and work in food processing plants. No one is forced to hire an illegal immigrant. We do so because we like the services they provide. The dirty little secret is this is yugely beneficial to Americans. Often it is has an element of exploitation, with the exploitation benefiting Americans.

Sounds like slave labor to me
 
Sounds like slave labor to me

The lines between slave labor, indentured servitude and other forms of exploitation have always been fine ones.

At the same time those forms of exploitation have often paved the way for better futures.

I know a young man who started his own a winery in California. His grandfather was a campesino and that's the name he chose for the winery. He himself went to Notre Dame. But it was the hard work of his grandparents and parents that made that possible. Their lives were not easy but I think they were happy for the work.
 
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