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So far their immediate response indicates they aren’t as strong as some believe. They’ve only enraged their neighbors more which seems like an odd strategy.
They are not strong compared to the American and Israeli militaries. But they are strong enough to inflict a lot of harm on their civilian population.
 
They are not strong compared to the American and Israeli militaries. But they are strong enough to inflict a lot of harm on their civilian population.
That’s happened already / this action is partly in replace to them massacring their citizens
 
Air campaign will not achieve the objective of regime change or stabilizing Iran.

If that’s the goal, then we’ll need a ground campaign at some point.

If folks are against “boots on the ground” then they should at the very least understand why may oppose getting involved in the first place. If you support a ground campaign because you believe in the objective, then I can respect that.
Air campaign with missiles landing on the regime can get you most of the way there, or air campaign to open alleys for SOF raids like Maduro experienced. But it’s hard to control who grabs power afterwards if that happens.
 
I promise you that will never happen.

If we go into a recession, they knew Trump's economic policies would do this.

If we have the boom you're predicting, we'll hear the baseball pitcher ERA nonsense again
Since we're all making predictions... I'll predict that I'll make an argument and you'll get big mad and tell me to go fuck myself in frustration at your inability to offer a coherent counter of your own.
 
Since we're all making predictions... I'll predict that I'll make an argument and you'll get big mad and tell me to go fuck myself in frustration at your inability to offer a coherent counter of your own.

I told you to go fuck yourself because you're a smart-ass.

Before I told you to go fuck yourself I did give you a counter.

If you didn't find it coherent that is your issue.
 
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Everyone on the board wants this regime to die, you are not a traitor if you’re against what it will cost to achieve it.
In no small part, the very Iranians the pro-war folks are claiming to be fighting for through one side of their mouth while cheering on their “necessary sacrifice” in pursuit of a weakened China from the other.
 
This is such a poor take
I don’t really give a damn. There’s no doubt that the current regime is bad and there’s no reason for me to dispute the potential positives for the Iranian people as a whole. But innocent people are going to die in the process and segments of the right are already jerking off Trump for his big brain move to deprive China of oil. It makes it very hard to take those same people seriously when they pretend to claim that they’re the ones with the interest of the Iranian people at the top of their mind. If there is a civil war, I hope they keep up that same energy when it’s time for refugees to get out of a war zone.
 
I don’t really give a damn. There’s no doubt that the current regime is bad and there’s no reason for me to dispute the potential positives for the Iranian people as a whole. But innocent people are going to die in the process and segments of the right are already jerking off Trump for his big brain move to deprive China of oil. It makes it very hard to take those same people seriously when they pretend to claim that they’re the ones with the interest of the Iranian people at the top of their mind. If there is a civil war, I hope they keep up that same energy when it’s time for refugees to get out of a war zone.
Imagine not being able to see second and third order effects and discuss them.
 
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