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acesfull86 said:
The point of my post was to point out the government’s propensity to sell us on something that they end up getting horribly wrong. Two weeks turns into two years in a snap. I’m sure we’ll end up sending in ground troops, and the folks in charge, almost none of whom are actually fit for their jobs, will tell us how quick and easy it’ll be. I’ll bet the over.
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And we will be told immediately that it was a success (whatever “it” becomes).

Midnight Hammer — That supposedly destroyed Iran’s nuclear capability by 2 years yet we were back 6 months later because they were “days away”.

These people lie as natural as you and I drink water.
 
chop2chip said:
And we will be told immediately that it was a success (whatever “it” becomes).

Midnight Hammer — That supposedly destroyed Iran’s nuclear capability by 2 years yet we were back 6 months later because they were “days away”.

These people lie as natural as you and I drink water.
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I guess you believe the international intelligence game is black and white and never changing?

Like they only had uranium at that one facility? Or didn't store any somewhere else?

I'm having trouble thinking it doesn't constantly evolve by the hour or days.
 
Tapate50 said:
I guess you believe the international intelligence game is black and white and never changing?

Like they only had uranium at that one facility? Or didn't store any somewhere else?

I'm having trouble thinking it doesn't constantly evolve by the hour or days.
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If you truly think that, then it requires you to admit the first operation failed and that you were lied to.

Trump as recently as last month at the SOTU said that we “obliterated… wiped out” Iran’s nuclear capability.
 
chop2chip said:
If you truly think that, then it requires you to admit the first operation failed and that you were lied to.

Trump as recently as last month at the SOTU said that we “obliterated… wiped out” Iran’s nuclear capability.
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I do not take Trump word for word. I don't take anyone word for word.

I think we blew up 3 nuclear facilities. Thats it. Their only facilities? No. Do you?
 
Tapate50 said:
I do not take Trump word for word. I don't take anyone word for word.

I think we blew up 3 nuclear facilities. Thats it. Their only facilities? No. Do you?
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Yes. I think we knew exactly where all of their facilities were when we attacked in June because those facilities have been getting inspections from the IAEA for years. And you can measure the presence of enriched uranium from a distance.
 
Tapate50 said:
I do not think Iran had only 3.
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See my longer response I just edited

Yes. I think we knew exactly where all of their facilities were when we attacked in June because those facilities have been getting inspections from the IAEA for years. And you can measure the presence of enriched uranium from a distance.
 
If you can’t take the administration at its word, that’s fine, but then why do they get the benefit of the doubt? All the reasons to go to war with Iran were there during the entire time Trump and most of his team were saying it wasn’t worth it (and told us a vote for the OTHER side was a vote that would send us into war). It’s still not obvious to me what changed. Or what the actual goals are.
 
acesfull86 said:
The point of my post was to point out the government’s propensity to sell us on something that they end up getting horribly wrong. Two weeks turns into two years in a snap. I’m sure we’ll end up sending in ground troops, and the folks in charge, almost none of whom are actually fit for their jobs, will tell us how quick and easy it’ll be. I’ll bet the over.
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it is true that dealing with any complex situation will involve things not turning out exactly as expected or promised

that was true of covid

it is true of the war in the Persian Gulf
 
acesfull86 said:
If you can’t take the administration at its word, that’s fine, but then why do they get the benefit of the doubt?
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I don't think i can be accused of ever giving Trump the benefit of the doubt...it is possible to try to assess the pros and cons of this situation without buying into the misleading comments coming out of the admininistration
 
acesfull86 said:
If you can’t take the administration at its word, that’s fine, but then why do they get the benefit of the doubt? All the reasons to go to war with Iran were there during the entire time Trump and most of his team were saying it wasn’t worth it (and told us a vote for the OTHER side was a vote that would send us into war). It’s still not obvious to me what changed. Or what the actual goals are.
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As a guy in Georgia not privvy to internal intelligence documents that likley change by the hour, I am not sure. I am sure it likely is going to be a bit messy.

I have seen former CIA operatives that are active Democrats speak to the evil that Iran contributes to the world, so I'm sure its not just Trump on a power trip. See public hangings or Oct 7...

BUT its evolving constantly and things change with China and Russia in the background moving the pawns around. I don't need a stated goal or mission accomplished sign to believe we are warding off one of the worst evils in the world. I know people who treat women like they do, and still proceed with public hangings are evil and should be rooted out.
 
Tapate50 said:
I don't need a stated goal or mission accomplished sign to believe we are warding off one of the worst evils in the world. I know people who treat women like they do, and still proceed with public hangings are evil and should be rooted out.
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Could copy and paste this into a thread about Iraq and Afghanistan 25 years ago. Hopefully this one turns out better than those did. I think there’s enough history to be skeptical, and the current administration does not inspire any confidence.
 
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