Gun Violence

Julio3000 said:
I really can’t believe you guys are going with this.

I mean, if you squint at that I’m sure it could be considered kind of shorthand for some real reasons for radicalization, but what it really sounds to me like you’re saying is that some young white men are becoming toxic extremism-polluted mass murderers because they feel threatened by some social critiques, most of which have no ability to impact their lives in a meaningful way.

In addition to being some real snowflake ****, it’s victim-blaming of epic proportions. So, in the same way that accelerated racism was Obama’s fault, the ultimate expression of toxic masculinity is the fault of people who criticize toxic masculinity. That’s some classic abuser stuff—“look what you made me do.”
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I don't think "social critiques" is what he was referring to. I think it was more the practice of using "racist" to define anyone who believes we should be enforcing a national border, or "bigot" to define anyone who thinks a person born with a penis is a male, or similar terms for anyone who believes college admissions should not use race as a factor, or practices a religion that does not approve of homosexuality, or any of the other madness that has suddenly become part and parcel of the left side of the American political spectrum.
 
Jaw said:
Compliant with the Second Amendment? What restrictions do you have in mind that meet the "shall not be infringed" qualifier.

I think you meant restrictions that are compliant with the interpretation of the Second Amendment that judicial activists have arrived at, and that certainly isn't the same thing.
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I mean restrictions that have been ruled constitutional by the courts.
 
nsacpi said:
I mean restrictions that have been ruled constitutional by the courts.
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With the growing awareness of the partisanship of the courts, do you think that is a good strategy? I would much rather amend the Second to clarify what is and is not legal, instead of encouraging an unelected branch of government to "interpret" exactly to what extent our rights extend. Although to be fair, I'm not sure how much more clear you can get than "shall not be infringed." That's easily the strongest language used in the Bill of Rights.
 
Jaw said:
With the growing awareness of the partisanship of the courts, do you think that is a good strategy? I would much rather amend the Second to clarify what is and is not legal, instead of encouraging an unelected branch of government to "interpret" exactly to what extent our rights extend. Although to be fair, I'm not sure how much more clear you can get than "shall not be infringed." That's easily the strongest language used in the Bill of Rights.
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I don't think there is much choice but to try and take into account what the courts have ruled in the past and might rule in the future.

As a practical matter, an amendment or constitutional convention to clarify the 2nd amendment aint happening.
 
I agree with you that isn't likely, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't hope for it. How many people are going to like it when the same standards are applied to other "rights" in the Bill of Rights?

I saw someone going on about heavily taxing ammunition on the premise that it isn't guaranteed by the 2A. Let's apply that same logic to the freedom of speech, and limiting access to writing materials and internet service. Let's require background checks before we let people post on forums or start a blog. Let's say that the freedom to worship doesn't mention churches, synagogues, mosques, or the Bible, Torah, or Quran.
 
Jaw said:
I agree with you that isn't likely, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't hope for it. How many people are going to like it when the same standards are applied to other "rights" in the Bill of Rights?

I saw someone going on about heavily taxing ammunition on the premise that it isn't guaranteed by the 2A. Let's apply that same logic to the freedom of speech, and limiting access to writing materials and internet service. Let's require background checks before we let people post on forums or start a blog. Let's say that the freedom to worship doesn't mention churches, synagogues, mosques, or the Bible, Torah, or Quran.
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telephone services are taxed and have been for a long time...last time I bought a pen and stationary I believe there was a sales tax applied...neither infringe my freedom of speech

i'm in favor of a tax on ammunition and creating a fund from the proceeds for victims of gun violence
 
Jaw said:
I don't think "social critiques" is what he was referring to. I think it was more the practice of using "racist" to define anyone who believes we should be enforcing a national border, or "bigot" to define anyone who thinks a person born with a penis is a male, or similar terms for anyone who believes college admissions should not use race as a factor, or practices a religion that does not approve of homosexuality, or any of the other madness that has suddenly become part and parcel of the left side of the American political spectrum.
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I'm not singling you out personally here, because I think there has been invective from the Left that has been as hateful as what comes from the Right, but when Huckabee the Elder wants to send everybody to Hell for being gay or transgender or advocating for more open borders; that can't be simply brushed under the rug. I somehow get the Huckabee/Yates My Faith Votes e-mail missives (thanks Republican legislators to whom I have contributed for selling my e-mail address to these folks!) and you'd swear we are balancing on a perilous precipice where the Secular Humanist vandals are storming the gates and Western Civilization will be escorted to the dustbin of history. I don't know the religious backgrounds of the perpetrators of the El Paso and Dayton shootings, but I'm guessing they weren't in the front row of the sanctuary every Sunday. The religion to which I subscribe says "Love God. Love your neighbor." The first part is fairly clear, but the second part clearly isn't "Agree with your neighbor on all items of modern life regardless of relative importance." I guess what I'm saying is that neither side is blameless in ratcheting up the ill feeling (which long predates the Trump Presidency) that is manifesting itself.

And, for the record, I'm a middle-aged White Guy and I really think the White Guys of all ages have to take a step back and quit their griping. Up your motherf*cking game instead of blaming the world for moving on without your express permission.
 
nsacpi said:
but we succumbed to the yamnaya...and look at us now...very sad...imagine what we could be without all that yamnaya DNA
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My wife gave me 23andme a couple of months back (I would have never purchased it myself) and I am happy to report that I am 100% Northern European! One downside is it appears I had some of my DNA can be traced to Ireland, which may prevent me from being 100% Protestant. The other downside is that from some DNA tracing (which I question), the report says that Alexander Hamilton and I have a common ancestor from about 5000 years ago. Too close for me. Now I have to find one of Aaron Burr's descendants and have them shoot me. I deserve it.
 
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50PoundHead said:
My wife gave me 23andme a couple of months back (I would have never purchased it myself)and I am 100% Northern European! One downside is it appears I had some of my DNA can be traced to Ireland, which may prevent me from being 100% Protestant. The other downside is that from some DNA tracing (which I question), the report says that Alexander Hamilton and I have a common ancestor from about 5000 years ago. Too close for me. Now I have to find one of Aaron Burr's descendants and have them shoot me. I deserve it.
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Gotta watch out for those Burrs. Btw Northern Europeans succumbed to the Yamnaya between 4,000 and 5,000 years ago.

As for the Irish, they are not always what they seem to be. I'll leave it at that (as someone whose paternal grandmother was born in Ireland).
 
nsacpi said:
Gotta watch out for those Burrs. Btw Northern Europeans succumbed to the Yamnaya between 4,000 and 5,000 years ago.

As for the Irish, they are not always what they seem to be. I'll leave it at that (as someone whose paternal grandmother was born in Ireland).
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The bulk of my heritage is Scandinavian and let's just say the Vikings were as heavy on spreading their seed as they were pillaging.
 
Jaw said:
Compliant with the Second Amendment? What restrictions do you have in mind that meet the "shall not be infringed" qualifier.

I think you meant restrictions that are compliant with the interpretation of the Second Amendment that judicial activists have arrived at, and that certainly isn't the same thing.
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Hunting rifles only. Police and military only with stronger weapons.

but they can even kill. Bambi would love if they go after humans that go after them.

I grew up with a 10/12 and then a 22. The 10/12 gauge almost wrecked my shoulder. Only target but I was very good at them.

I did not use them but use my skills with bb's and pellet guns. I killed a lot of Orb Weavers (Agriopes or Garden spiders and they are big for target practice), snakes and birds, like Cardinals, Robins and sparrows. The problem was they are not edible so I quit. Why kill something that does not benefit you. Common FREAKING sense.

I don't hunt or own a gun. I don't on either because someone have to do a lot to get in my apartment which I will know and then I got to my weapons and my ex wife has a very effective system with a 100 lb lab that would take you down if you enter her house. She warned me but she know the lab would come and let me pet her.

People are not smart.
 
This is anecdotal but I'm seeing a heck of a lot more coverage on El Paso than Dayton.

I've seen countless accusations of Trump rhetoric being responsible for El Paso... I've seen no such accusations of Elizabeth Warren rhetoric being responsible (its not)

As I said... we can be sure of 3 things...
 
nsacpi said:
telephone services are taxed and have been for a long time...last time I bought a pen and stationary I believe there was a sales tax applied...neither infringe my freedom of speech

i'm in favor of a tax on ammunition and creating a fund from the proceeds for victims of gun violence
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Are you being disingenuous here or are you really not aware of the calls to tax ammunition so heavily it is basically unobtainable? I believe I did say 'heavily' in the post you quoted.

Also, why didn't you brush off the rest of the post concerning religion as easily?
 
AerchAngel said:
Hunting rifles only. Police and military only with stronger weapons.

but they can even kill. Bambi would love if they go after humans that go after them.

I grew up with a 10/12 and then a 22. The 10/12 gauge almost wrecked my shoulder. Only target but I was very good at them.

I did not use them but use my skills with bb's and pellet guns. I killed a lot of Orb Weavers (Agriopes or Garden spiders and they are big for target practice), snakes and birds, like Cardinals, Robins and sparrows. The problem was they are not edible so I quit. Why kill something that does not benefit you. Common FREAKING sense.

I don't hunt or own a gun. I don't on either because someone have to do a lot to get in my apartment which I will know and then I got to my weapons and my ex wife has a very effective system with a 100 lb lab that would take you down if you enter her house. She warned me but she know the lab would come and let me pet her.

People are not smart.
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If you believe only classic style hunting weapons should be allowed then I think that's a reasonable position, as long as you want the constitution to be amended to say so.

I do not believe it would be a reasonable position to hope for courts to allow legislation that restricts your constitutional rights, as several others in this thread seem to do. Perhaps they will care when it concerns a right they care about, and perhaps it won't be too late.
 
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