Harper Called out by Teammate; Dugout brawl!

Uh, Papelbon is completely in the wrong here.
This is the same guy who grabbed his crotch at his hometown fans. Now he's worried about respect for the game?
Harper is the face of your franchise and the MVP. Papelbon is a known trouble-maker and clubhouse wrecker.
Refuses to pitch before the 9th inning, but is trying to tell the MVP the right way to play baseball.
And I'm FAR from a Harper supporter, I can't stand the guy. But get real here.
 
Yeah, sorry, but jumping from the top step down for Harper's throat? I may find Harper unlikable, but there's something a bit unhinged going on in Papelbon's brain to go for someone's throat like that over a silly incident. In the real world, assault charges would be filed and Pap would have a court date waiting for him.
 
That whole organization is nothing but arrogant and entitled from the top at ownership right on down to the broadcasters. For the last four years, they have been handed the East in ST and given the talent maybe rightfully so but now they are 2 for 4 and missing the playoffs entirely this year. I guess failure can be added to arrogant and entitled.
 
Neither player was "in the right" in this situation. Paps handled the altercation poorly. You don't choke.... well anyone really, unless you're a UFC fighter.

But Harper did in fact quit in his team, and deserves every bit of criticism thrown at him for that. If he were on the Braves when Bobby was around, Bobby would have sent his ass to the showers before Harper even reached the duggout.
 
Rizzo is the biggest issue with this team.. he falls in the Wren model of GMing.. They are like kids who get a credit card for the first time. They spend on the first flashy thing they can find, they spend and spend and never concern themselves with the little things that make a team work. The utter arrogance to not address the BP or bench or the minors will haunt them like it did the Phils. The Gnats have to build an entire new bullpen next year while still addressing some of the pitching depth they are missing. All this with a minor league system that isn't bad but very thin. Their system was under .500 across all levels, where you look at the Braves and their system was under .500 overall, but only under in two leagues..Rome was our anchor because of sub par pitching.
 
Like him or not, Harper has had an MVP quality year. Paps has done nothing, then assaulting his team mate via choke hold. Yet you guys are calling Harper a quitter? Whats it even matter now, they are eliminated anyway.
 
never saw Pap go after Big Papi or Manny for "not respecting the game." Wonder why.

if every player that didn't run out a pop-up at the end of September got attacked half the league would be suspended.
 
there is this 'unwritten' rule that you play hard every play. and yes, I agree with that.. But I have no doubt that I can find video of Chipper not running a play out if I wanted to look. Also, pitchers hardly ever run a plate appearance out because of some other 'Unwritten' rule that they need to conserve their energy to pitch.. Come on.. Harper if frustrated that he had a huge season that means nothing but personal credit. He did what he had to do to get the team to the playoffs and others on his team failed. So he didn't run that fly ball out.. gives you no right to call him out coming back to the dugout when you have been on this team for ~2 months and have 2 losses a 3 ERA and haven't been all you were billed to be coming over to the Gnats. Papelbon is a mental case that I said would plague this team when they traded for him. Thanks Rizzo for making the Braves season easier next year.
 
Carp said:
Lol at gilesfan defending baseball's biggest douche. Like clockwork.
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Harper did nothing wrong in this instance. How is jogging to first "quitting on your team?"

Like it or not, players jog to first on routine plays. There are probably a handful of guys that bust their ass every play and it's scrappy utility players that have nothing else going for them. If you aren't hustling on a grounder in the middle of a playoff race, that's understandable. But, this was a lazy fly ball in a meaningless game and coming from a closer that pitches 60 innings a year and chills hard the rest of the season.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Rizzo is the biggest issue with this team.. he falls in the Wren model of GMing.. They are like kids who get a credit card for the first time. They spend on the first flashy thing they can find, they spend and spend and never concern themselves with the little things that make a team work. The utter arrogance to not address the BP or bench or the minors will haunt them like it did the Phils. The Gnats have to build an entire new bullpen next year while still addressing some of the pitching depth they are missing. All this with a minor league system that isn't bad but very thin. Their system was under .500 across all levels, where you look at the Braves and their system was under .500 overall, but only under in two leagues..Rome was our anchor because of sub par pitching.
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They tried to fix the bullpen; they signed Jansen, Thornton, and traded for Papelbon. It just didn't work out. They have a really good minor league system, but that team is likely in for a huge turnover in the offseason. Now, they have to figure out how to get rid of Papelbon, which was a stupid trade in the first place.
 
giles is right, I saw the video and saw a guy jog to first. So what, I've seen Charley Hustle jog to first on simple fly balls in September. With all of the hoop-la I expected to see Harper go from batters box to dugout.

Having said that, with the passing of Yogi Barra I learned that Harper at 22 has more career K's than Berra, a notorious bad ball hitter, did over 3 decades.

Never understood the purpose of the Nats acquiring Pap
 
I guess the Nats will buy Paps out and send him packing. Some dumb gm will pick him up I'm sure next year. But I don't see Harper jogging to first as quitting when there is nothing to play for. He hustles as hard as anybody on most plays so he should get a pass on a pop up in a game that means nothing. Uggla use to bust it down the line all the time when he knew he was gonna be out but would be lazy on pop ups. Yall go play 150+ games and bust it every play...Won't happen
 
gilesfan said:
They tried to fix the bullpen; they signed Jansen, Thornton, and traded for Papelbon. It just didn't work out. They have a really good minor league system, but that team is likely in for a huge turnover in the offseason. Now, they have to figure out how to get rid of Papelbon, which was a stupid trade in the first place.
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I agree they tried to fix the pen, they just did it on the cheap until the paplebon trade, which disrupted the situation even worse. You spend 210 million on one starter but pennies on the pen.. go figure. As for the minors, yes they have a few great prospects but Meh on the rest. The Nats were ranked something like 18th last year and jumped up to like 10 with the two guys the padres gave them.. That doesn't make a deep system which is what I was referring to..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I agree they tried to fix the pen, they just did it on the cheap until the paplebon trade, which disrupted the situation even worse. You spend 210 million on one starter but pennies on the pen.. go figure. As for the minors, yes they have a few great prospects but Meh on the rest. The Nats were ranked something like 18th last year and jumped up to like 10 with the two guys the padres gave them.. That doesn't make a deep system which is what I was referring to..
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They had 16.5 million committed to the bullpen before trading for Papelbon. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.
 
Nats have a lot to do this offseason. They will be needing to replace some big players and rebuild a bullpen. Then figure out how to get rid of Paplebon, make good with storen.
 
their opening day money committed to the bullpen was 13.5 , >10 mill was to three players.. 5 mill of that to Storen who obviously they had no confidence in because they made a deadline trade for a closer when Storen had blown only 2 saves all year. So basically they went into a season with a 163 million payroll and banked their pen on Storen who they had no confidence in.. Stammen whose injury hurt them (no depth).. and thornton who did well and then some other unproven cheap guys.

you are denying any of this?!?
 
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