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NYCBrave said:
The issue is that none of Folty, Fried, Jace, Mallex or Dustin Peterson are elite players or really close to it. Sure they might turn out to be good parts of our next contending team, but really my point is we went quantity instead of aiming for one big prize in each trade. Disclaimer, I fully understand the farm system needed a lot of help, but that still doesn't change my perspective.
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I think the Braves would tell you that in at least one or two of the trades, they got that "one big prize" but were able to get even more in return than expected. Talents like Folty, Wisler and Fried are in no way "quantity," but were legit targets. I could better respond if I had some idea what you considered the "big prize"; Wisler, Fried and Peterson were at the very top of the Padres prospect list, as were Newcomb and Ellis for the Angels and Folty for the Astros.
 
One quick note in response to those that said we went with quantity over quality.

I always felt that fans overrated the value of guys like Heyward/Upton since they had 1 year left on their deals. At the time and even more so in hindsight it looks like the Braves got way more than what the players are worth.
 
thethe said:
One quick note in response to those that said we went with quantity over quality.

I always felt that fans overrated the value of guys like Heyward/Upton since they had 1 year left on their deals. At the time and even more so in hindsight it looks like the Braves got way more than what the players are worth.
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This is an important part of the discussion. While it is possible they could have gotten a bit more here and there, the performance of the guys traded away, and th potential of the young guys, suggests this is true.
 
NYCBrave said:
I think you misunderstood my point about Kimbrel. I was saying we could have acquired a lot more from the Padres, along the lines of what they got from the Red Sox, had we not tied BJ's contact to him. I'm not saying holding onto Kimbrel meant anything to us.
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That kind of goes without saying. If all they were going to do was trade Kimbrel, they could have dealt with any other team besides just the Padres. Before that, it was practically a daily ritual to visit this forum and have to scroll through someone's rant about BJ's presence on the roster. So, that's what it took to make it happen. It's not as if there were many available options to unload BJ and holding on to him didn't present a viable alternative either.
 
1. Not me, but who cares if there are?

2. It's not really hindsight yet.

3. Never did.

4. Never was.

5. Maybe. He doesn't have much power but he's consistently good.

6. Hell no

7. Happiness is overrated.
 
  1. Are there still negabraves out there that do not like what the front office has acheived?
  2. Would anyone have done it differently now in hindsight?
  3. Do you all still disagree about the philosphy to draft lots of pitching?
  4. Is the Markakis move still a bad move?
  5. Did the offseason of weight lifting help Markakis (Like I repeated on numerous occasions)?
  6. Was Heyward worth an extension?
  7. Are we all happy that the Johns are in power?

1. I'm not a negabrave, I don't think, and it looks like they are likely on a path back to contention. I'm not wildly happy with what we've done, but am cautiously optimistic.

2. I've said in several contexts that I felt that a full-fledged teardown was unnecessary and that they could have achieved many of the same goals with less disruption - re-emphasizing development and scouting, moving a big pile of chips on the international market, for instance. Nevertheless, we are where we are.

3. It's what we know. nsacpi pointed out a few times recently that the Cubs did it the opposite way by drafting hitting and signing pitching, and that was actually better because of the paucity of young position players. I think that was a bit of an anomaly, since in ordinary times it seems like pitching is the scarce commodity. I think that has started to self correct and, assuming enough of these acquisition arms develop, it will have been a wise course. It's worth noting that none of these acquired pitchers have yet been lights out successful, though you've got to like early returns at the lower levels.

4. Never was.

5. Yep.

6. My comment at the time was something like "if he's going to cost 7/$160m and settle in at .270/.340/.420, we're going to be very glad some other team decided to make that commitment." That probably remains true if he settles in at .230/.300/.350.

7. For all their accolades, the elder Johns ended their GM tenures with abysmal decisions and results. They seem like watchful uncles so Lil Coppy doesn't drive the Porsche off a cliff. So I dunno. I gotta wonder where the hell they were when he ran the Olivera deal by them. That had to have been like your nine year old proudly presenting you an art project from school and you trying real hard not to tell him it's a pile of crap.
 
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