Heyman: Braves inquired on Lucroy

zitothebrave said:
Our pre-arb/option payroll for next year is 53.669
Obviously we won't pick up Cahill's option, we likely won't pick up Gomes's

We may not pickup the arb tab on Minor, EYJ, and Outman, we may trade Avilan instead of taking his arb tag, we'll have Miller just hitting arb and if he keeps this up he'll get paid in arby. WE will certainly have a lot of cash to play with. But I'd rather get someone for Maybin before he collapses than spend another 9M on him. I'm pragmatic, I'm ignoring the emotional aspect. I remember Maybin coming up being compared to Griffey, all the talent in the world .He hasn't panned out. He hasn't been able to stay healthy. If someone offers us a B rated prospect for Maybin we better say yes. If someone offers us a C rated prospect we have to consider it.

Money is always an issue, especially as a rebuilding team. Imagine we trade Maybin, use his money to keep Minor who rebuilds his value and he nets us a decent prospect, we have then turned someone who was just salary considerations into 2 prospects. Of course that's an example that may not happen in either part, just listing something that could happen with a decent probability.
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Maybe what Maybin has done is fluky but i wouldnt trade him just to trade him for a so-so prospect.

Regarding Minor, i'd be surprised if they brought him back but then again they do have the money for him.
 
Maybin's production so far is anything but flukey. He is hitting the ball hard and balls are flying over the fence. There's never really been a concern over his raw power when he was coming up, but he hadn't displayed it much at Petco, aside from like 2012 (or whenever it was). He's always had a decent walk rate.

I don't expect him to hit over .250 consistently. But I definitely envision him being a version of Mike Cameron over the next 2-3 years. And that holds plenty of value. Especially for a team devoid of RH power.

I wouldn't trade him unless someone overpays. Our only internal option is Smith, and while I like him as a prospect, I am not sold on him yet as our future CFer. Certainly not in 2016. And the FA market for CF is pretty barren this winter.

Ride Maybin the rest of the contract unless someone wants to overpay. If he keeps playing as well as he is now, then try to extent him 3-4 more years at the end of next season.
 
zitothebrave said:
And that's the biggest reason to do it. 9 million dollars is freed up if we move him this offseason. If we move him at the deadline it would be something like 11 million. That's enough to get us a solid reliever for a few years. and we get the prospect in return. If Maybin falters adn we don't trade him we're on the hook for all that money.
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We already have like 40 million freed up. And trading Maybin just creates another hole that we will likely have to use more than 9 million to fill.
 
thethe said:
Because the game isn't won using fWAR.

If the Braves upgrade their weakest offensive position that is a tricle down affect where pitchers are worked over and the bullpen is more involved sooner. Folty has the potential to become a dominant pitcher. Anything can happen. Watch the damn team play and don't just be married to frangraphs. This years team at the very worst is as good as last years team without an upgrade or expected improvements from current roster guys.

Last years team was awful.
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That's assuming everyone continues to hit at their levels where there is a lot of overperforming going on. As the seasons goes I could see every position besides 1B getting worse offensively.
 
zitothebrave said:
I will not put Skyrim down. The texture packs alone!

And if everything goes the Braves way, and Lucroy plays like an MVP again, sure they'd be contenders. But it's baseball, when does everything break your way over the course of a season?

Using fWAR Braves have the 8th best position players, and 13th best pitching. Would the 4-5 fWAR improvement from LuCroy really push us over the top? Assume Tron keeps hitting, we're still trotting out basically the same team as last year offensively (Heyward for Tron, Justin for Lucroy, Freddie for Freddie) but you have to ask who's the Gattis? Who's the 4th? And then you deal with pitching. Assume Miller replaces Julio's value from last year and Wood replaces Santana, and Julio bounces back enough to replace Wood's, who replaces Harang's value?

Last year we weren't good enough to make the playoffs, why would we be this year if we added LuCroy? All the teams who made the playoffs last year are still doing alright. Pirates aren't too hot, but the Cubs are seemingly able to replace them.
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So your vaunted numbers tell you that Julio and Wood won't revert back to what they've been previously at some point?

(I'm not personally interested in Lucroy - I'd much rather have someone FORCE Fredi to play Bethancourt and use A. J. like he was signed to be used than give up ANY of the prospects we've acquired at this point, particularly the ones Milwaukee would be asking for in return. If playing Christian regularly requires somebody getting in his face and telling him that if they don't see improvement in ALL facets of his game that they're going to send him back down and begin looking for another long-term solution, so be it - crawl up his *ss. Tell him that if he becomes the elite-level defensive option he's been billed as over the years that that's enough and the job is his - I couldn't care less whether our Catchers EVER hit...their jobs are to handle the staff, call a good game, cut down the running game, and be a good teammate. If they contribute with the bat from time-to-time, that's a bonus - outbid everyone by $5 million per for J-Up this winter and there will be PLENTY of offense without a Catcher helping out.

I've been saying for awhile now that the ONE thing I've really got a gripe about (whether it's Fredi making the call or Hart & Company standing idly by while he does it) is the fact that Christian's simply not getting enough playing time to find out if he'll EVER be an everyday Catcher - even if that's the defense-first model.)
 
People need to get over their love affair with J-Up. We aren't signing him. That bridge is burned
 
Lucroy and somebody like Upton or Cespedes in Rf next year would definately make this team more exciting and instant contenders. I still wouldn't rule out a signing like Price or Greinke and them trading for a young controlled power bat. But C is a must upgrade imo.
 
Carp said:
People need to get over their love affair with J-Up. We aren't signing him. That bridge is burned
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Same with Jason.

Someone like Fowler or even Cespedes, although i dont think he fits what Hart wants.

ANd he'd come with draft pick compensation.
 
clvclv said:
So your vaunted numbers tell you that Julio and Wood won't revert back to what they've been previously at some point?
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My "vaunted" numbers say Wood will be about similar to Julio's value last year. As far as Julio who knows. He got off to a rotten start. His last start was magnificent but after 8 starts his fWAR is at 0.0.
 
If Lucroy isn't available or costs too much in a trade I would consider Matt Wieters this off-season. And another I'd consider is Alex Avila as he might be a good pick-up to pair with Bethancourt.
 
What I gather from the Lucroy news, which I believe is accurate, is that the Braves feel that catcher is their weakest position internally in regards to 2017. At third base you've got Ruiz and worst case scenario Chris Johnson, or perhaps even Jace Peterson. All three guys have potential to at least be average over there. In LF or RF the Braves potentially have some guys that could fill that role and at least be average MLB players (Peterson, Davidson, etc.). You could platoon that position if all else fails. At catcher we have nothing outside of Bethancourt other than, let's be honest, a shot in the dark in Briceno. Both guys at this point really only project as back ups at best. So the Braves should be very active in the catcher market this season. And they should take a good long look at college catchers in this draft. With 5 picks in the top 75 getting a good college catcher might be a smart move for us.
 
weso1 said:
What I gather from the Lucroy news, which I believe is accurate, is that the Braves feel that catcher is their weakest position internally in regards to 2017. At third base you've got Ruiz and worst case scenario Chris Johnson, or perhaps even Jace Peterson. All three guys have potential to at least be average over there. In LF or RF the Braves potentially have some guys that could fill that role and at least be average MLB players (Peterson, Davidson, etc.). You could platoon that position if all else fails. At catcher we have nothing outside of Bethancourt other than, let's be honest, a shot in the dark in Briceno. Both guys at this point really only project as back ups at best. So the Braves should be very active in the catcher market this season. And they should take a good long look at college catchers in this draft. With 5 picks in the top 75 getting a good college catcher might be a smart move for us.
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A lot of mock drafts have us taking Tyler Stephenson. He's a prep player, but everyone thinks he has a lock to stick at catcher. If we end up being able to nab him then we might have a player that we can dream upon. But it may be prudent to sign a Wieters type to hold down the fort for the next four to five years.
 
I'd be down for Weiters. His health kinda scares me though. Lucroy would be nice but I don't see the FO trading off all the talent they just acquired.
 
If the Brewers change their mind, would y'all do a package headlined by Folty and Bethancourt going to the Brewers for Lucroy? Just wondering.
 
Braves1976 said:
If the Brewers change their mind, would y'all do a package headlined by Folty and Bethancourt going to the Brewers for Lucroy? Just wondering.
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I believe they are only saying he isnt available to gain leverage in any potential deal. I would really hate to give up Folty but I would do it. I think a big market team like the Red Sox will be all over Lucroy if he is traded though.
 
Speaking of trades..the Astros are shopping Preston Tucker. I would absolutely love to grab him for LF.
 
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