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Because Heyward is black, lazy and needs the crack money.
Heyward ... Should we trade him now?
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Because Heyward is black, lazy and needs the crack money.
Hudson2
Well-known member
You'd probably have to add a young pitcher in that for Sale. But Heyward would def bring back a goo return. The Mariners is where I'd look. Not sure if Walker would be in play or not.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Sale is an exceptional situation. An outstanding pitcher with a ridiculously team-friendly contract. I'd be happy to give up Heyward and any of our pitchers (minor or major leaguer) for Sale.
A young cost-controlled pitcher like Walker is also extremely valuable. I believe he was #7 on BA's mid-season Top 50 list. I listed all the #7s in the past 20 years in another thread. On average those are very valuable players when you look at what they give you in those six pre-arb seasons.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
JMHO But Heyward has yet to earn that extension at any price. Certainly not a 20M aav deal.
Tons of talent but he needs to put it all together if he is looking for a lottery size deal.
Tons of talent but he needs to put it all together if he is looking for a lottery size deal.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
As far as trading Heyward goes, I could see us doing so next off-season but not this off-season. Maybe package him in a bigger trade with Medlen next off-season if Heyward cannot be locked up long-term.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Are braves game averse to winning? In what realm does a winning team trading one of their best players who they can possibly afford to resign make sense? We're not the As or Rays.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Some deals you can't pass up. Trout for Heyward. Sale for Heyward. But yeah, I agree with you. Within the realm of the plausible I don't see a deal I would want that involved moving Heyward.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
IMO Wren should explore this. He should know if someone would give a haul.
But I don't see it. Heyward hasn't had the year we value him at. Someone would have to pay on potential.
We would have to get back major league ready talent, not just prospects. We'd have to get a leadoff option. Just can't see it.
Next year if he won't do an extension then maybe you make it open season on him like Price is now. If you don't get what you think is a very strong offer then you try to sign him as a FA and end up taking the draft pick.
But I don't see it. Heyward hasn't had the year we value him at. Someone would have to pay on potential.
We would have to get back major league ready talent, not just prospects. We'd have to get a leadoff option. Just can't see it.
Next year if he won't do an extension then maybe you make it open season on him like Price is now. If you don't get what you think is a very strong offer then you try to sign him as a FA and end up taking the draft pick.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
That's why I don't entirely mind letting Heyward play another year without a long-term deal: if he plays so outstandingly well that he utterly prices himself out of the Braves' future payrolls, then at least he will have a more clearly defined exemplary value to any team who'd acquire him from the Braves; while if he produces at a very good, but sub-MVP, level (and/or misses some time with small injuries, et cetera), perhaps the Braves can extend at a below-market rate that's more palatable to their self-imposed salary-caps.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Right now, TODAY, JUpton has more trade value in the market place than Heyward. Next year who knows.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Good points but a question for you and others. Do you think that the new stadium will be cause to raise the payroll?
Personally, I see no reason the Braves cant afford a $150M payroll in spite of the putrid TV deal. But as of now, that payroll would not include any of the position players other than possibly Freeman and Simmons.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Don't think so. Last three season's Jason has put up WAR of 2.0, 6.4 and 3.4, while Justin has been at 6.1, 2.1, 3.2. Production has been about the same.
But Jason is paid less. And Jason is younger.
Taking into account everything Jason has more trade value imo.
BremanFan88
Playing the Waiting Game
It's always lets trade Heyward and never lets trade Freeman...Weird. I've never seen a fan base want to get rid of their best player so badly. I guess everyone just forgets how badly the Braves play when Jason is not in the lineup...
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I actually don't detect that much interest in moving Jason around here. People would like to extend him long-term. Lots of support for that. And some assume that because it hasn't happened yet it won't happen. They might be right, but I think most of us are hoping something gets done.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
That would be a good deal for the Braves imo.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Are you Brian Kinney's alter ego? Try getting off the WAR and look at the world. Power is the name of the game right now. Upton has demonstrated power, Heyward has not. Uptons costs are fixed for next 2 years, Heywards are not. And there is the injury thing. Like it or not, JHey is constantly prone to nit picking injuries. Some players just are. I willing concede that Heyward is probably the most talented player on our team (well Simmons has to be considered) but he is not the end all to everything.
I forgot to add, there are reasons why Heyward will be getting a modest 2nd arb year salary.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Should it? Yes. Will it? Hard to say.
I do know this: it would look really bad if the Braves open in their fancy, pricey new stadium having lost players like Heyward, Freeman, et cetera, whether that be via trade or free-agency. On the other hand, from a public-relations perspective, having guys like the Uptons, Heyward—hey, maybe even David Price—on the roster would certainly help to superficially dispel some of the race-based negative criticism the Braves have received and will continue to receive as they transition from downtown Atlanta to the suburbs.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
This from the poster who wrote (and I assume prayed) up til the last minute that McCann would resign with Atlanta.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I think it's more fear than desire. Personally, I think Heyward is much more valuable than most right-fielders (and could widen that gap a lot), while Freeman is simply more valuable than most first-basemen (with less likelihood to widen that gap). Thereby, Heyward seems both more likely to secure a massive free-agent deal and more likely to net a substantial return in a trade.
Personally, I'm with nsacpi that Heyward, Simmons, and Freeman (probably in that order) should be the utmost priorities for the Braves when it comes to extensions; I have much more faith in the pitching working itself out, one way or the other, considering the Braves' developmental success and the general volatility of pitcher performance/health relative to hitters' performance/health. But, like I said, waiting one more season with Heyward might not be the worst thing, since he, his agent(s), and the Braves will all have a critical additional year of data on which to base decisions.