I need to vent on this Duck Dynasty "Controversy".

BedellBrave said:
I hope I can always get over myself friend, cause myself is full of sin.

You really though don't know me, nor the ones I love, nor the ones I minister to, nor the ones I have officiated at their funerals. So you might not want to be too quick to assume.

My point still stands, whether you or others want to avoid it. Public dissent will meet the furry of the GLAAD crowd. And I just don't think that's really good for our nation.

I prefer the sentiments of the dad of a good friend of mine:

"It was many years ago when my Dad and I had a very serious talk about the First Amendment. The Klan was rallying on and around the court square in …., and he explained to me that even the KKK had the right of free speech. He told me "We will never, ever agree with what they say, but they do have the right to say it." "

And yes, I know this isn't about the First Amendment. See upthread.

Oh, and the homosexual couple could have gone to another baker too...
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People are people(period) My limited knowledge of the Bible and the physical bible I've owned since my 8th birthday has that dripping out of it.

Would you marry a murderer or a thief or one who covets another s ox or what ever the obscure reference is?
Or do you get to choose which sinners you minister to?

And I agree this isn't about the 1st Amendment - it is about bigotry and intolerance and not recognizing you've lost that ridiculous culture war you bought into

GLADD is the problem! Sounds like the people of the 60's proclaiming MLK was the problem - when actually ...
 
I officiate at the weddings of repentant sinners - at least that's what I hope.

And I think your post is just more evidence of my fear.
 
and who decides whether they've repented? My understanding was the ministry looked beyond the sin to see the sinner.
And to be blunt to marry two people regardless of what is between their legs

Am I wrong?
 
Me in consultation with them. Are they seeking to be faithful followers of Christ?

I require premarital counseling where we work thru all manner of issues.
 
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Assuming they are (for conversation sake) --- (And if they are?)
Does it matter what they do with their genitals or what they do with their hearts?
 
BedellBrave said:
I know we do Z. And that's okay. I do appreciate your, what seems to be to me, concern for my concern. :-)
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A church should be held to different standards than a private business. Totally different institutions different guidelines. If the government infringes on your church's or another church's rights I'll be fighting with you because part of the first amendment to me is that aside from infringing on serious rights of others, such as murder, theft, blah blah blah.
 
My teachings taught the heart above all else. Actually in adulthood have come to believe - the heart period.

I'm encouraged to see the Pope (any Pope) recognizing as much
 
57Brave said:
My teachings taught the heart above all else. Actually in adulthood have come to believe - the heart period.

I'm encouraged to see the Pope (any Pope) recognizing as much
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The pope isn't gonna authorize *** marriage. If you think that will happen I have some lovely ocean front property in Pennsylvania for you.
 
It will eventually. It has to for obvious reasons.

Until the 1960's the Church still called Hebrews Christ Killers.
For the Pope Francis to not denounce it speaks volumes in Pope Speak
 
57Brave said:
My teachings taught the heart above all else. Actually in adulthood have come to believe - the heart period.

I'm encouraged to see the Pope (any Pope) recognizing as much
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You offer a false either/or. A heart that desires to be faithful to Christ will also want to show that faithfulness outwardly. Yes, the heart is important - vitally important. Christ makes that point to those going in the opposite direction, those who were only concerned with outward conformity.
 
You and I disagree on this basic- I don't see Homosexuality as a choice and therefore it can not be a sin.

I'm sure there was a time not too long ago left handed people were burned at the stake
 
57Brave said:
You and I disagree on this basic- I don't see Homosexuality as a choice and therefore it can not be a sin.

I'm sure there was a time not too long ago left handed people were burned at the stake
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While I understand your point, I say we all have in-born proclivities to sin. Mine might be different than your's but I've still got them. The question is, what do we do with them.
 
57Brave said:
It will eventually. It has to for obvious reasons.

Until the 1960's the Church still called Hebrews Christ Killers.
For the Pope Francis to not denounce it speaks volumes in Pope Speak
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No you should go reread the things he's said again.

Him saying who am I to judge has nothing to do with what the church will practice. That's about the simplest way to point that out.
 
If society can tolerate religion(s), religion should be able to tolerate homosexuality.

Bedell, you're not full of sin, you're just full of .....uh, delusion. Happy Winter Solstice, ol' buddy.
 
57Brave said:
Consider the implications of "who am I to judge"
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He is trying to change the negative image of the church and make them more accessible to a younger generation. It doesn't mean the catholic church will at any time in the next century or 10 will support *** marriage. Seriously how can you think that he's saying *** marriage is OK?

Ok here's the deal this is from a letter that Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio the Archbishop Buenos Aires wrote in July 2010 to Argentina's Cloistered nuns

"In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family…At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God's law engraved in our hearts.
Let's not be naive: This is not a simple political fight; it is a destructive proposal to God's plan. This is not a mere legislative proposal (that's just it's form), but a move by the father of lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God… Let's look to St. Joseph, Mary, and the Child to ask fervently that they defend the Argentine family in this moment... May they support, defend, and accompany us in this war of God."

Incase you didn't know, that gentleman went on to become pope. There's a prevailing theory that the backlash from his words and other words that led to things like same sex unions being allowed throughout Argentina, that changed the tone of the Catholic church from less harsh to more calm as an attempt to not charge up the other side. Shoot it's already worked on you you think Pope Francis the man who believes a family is a father, mother, and child(ren) is going to make *** Marriage OK in the church.
 
Runnin said:
If society can tolerate religion(s), religion should be able to tolerate homosexuality.

Bedell, you're not full of sin, you're just full of .....uh, delusion. Happy Winter Solstice, ol' buddy.
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No, I just had a nice…oh, never mind.

Am too full of sin - it's just that my definition of sin is more detailed than y'all's.

And thanks bud! You too.

"Today is the day we laugh at the darkness, for tomorrow it starts to recede."
 
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