Co-worker invited me to a "Daughtersof the Confederacy" get together one time. The revisionist history and the "what really happened" stuff is pretty weird.
I tend to think Lincoln is a bit overrated like most icons but this is a goood quote
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Co-worker invited me to a "Daughtersof the Confederacy" get together one time. The revisionist history and the "what really happened" stuff is pretty weird.
I might literally poo-poo all over Lincoln's legacy if I were racist, but it's much easier for me to pooh-pooh the fact that it (his legacy) is based 100% around the Civil War and ended (granted, prematurely) with Reconstruction.
We don't know what could've happened because Lincoln never got a shot to fix things after.
True, but not completely. If you choose to look at Reconstruction as having commenced after emancipation in 1863 then we have almost two years of Lincolnian policy (eg., the Ten percent plan) and direction to analyze.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Is that a Freudian slip of some sort?
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
OK just curious but by 1863 are you referring to the Emancipation Proclamation or Lincoln's 10% plan?
Emancipation.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Yeah. To follow up on Meta's statement: I had an AP American History teacher who taught that the Civil War was not, in fact, about slavery.
Anyone who lets that travesty escape their lips should be politely corrected at every opportunity.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I'll say this about Lincoln, he was a hell of a wrestler.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
^^^ Yep and the economic and industrial system built in the north was in great part on wealth accumulated from the inhuman, racist, disgusting NE slave-shipping industry. Bastards.
So much not to like about our collective history.
Gary82
Called Up to the Major Leagues
The Industrial Revolution brought us slave wages, child labor and horrible environments for workers. I'm glad a little socialism was injected into our society.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
One big letdown about Lincoln was I always imagined him having a deep, powerful and assertive voice from looking at his pictures and body language/posture.
The voice that DDL did in Lincoln, was apparently about as accurate as historians have read about in books and notes about Lincoln. I remember Doris Kearns Goodwin explaining it on a Sunday morning talkshow around the time the movie came out.
The voice that DDL did in Lincoln, was apparently about as accurate as historians have read about in books and notes about Lincoln. I remember Doris Kearns Goodwin explaining it on a Sunday morning talkshow around the time the movie came out.
What I was referring to in my post above yours was either or (emanc/14th).
What negotiations did Lincoln have with the South? Please enlighten me.
The South wanted to be left alone. The South did not want to go to war. They were protecting their homes from an invading army.
And I never once said that slavery was not part of the reason for the War. But states rights was the cause, of which slavery certainly consisted of that.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Yeah, states' rights . . . to own slaves.
JFK - Cuban Missile Crisis, Space Race, Peace Corps, laid the groundwork for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Speaking of which, at the Daughters of the Confederacy gathering, they apparently meet up once a month to "make sure everybody knows what really happened".
Also, the common theme there was "If they (North) just left us alone we wouldn't have these problems we have today".
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I mentioned it in another thread, but it bears repeating: fortunes were made North, South, and overseas on the slave economy. I hope nobody is glossing that over in the discussion. But that's isn't really at issue here.
I wish that we could step outside of this kind of oversimplified postmodern viewpoint on slavery in the context of the Civil War. I mean, you are seriously going to have trouble finding a sane person who would ever defend slavery -- on any level. However, is it so unfathomable to assert that slavery might have been extinguishable without going to war? We know that abolition was a preeminent issue in the mid-1800s with somewhat broad national support, even in the South. Industrialism was beginning to supplant the agrarian way of life. The tide appeared to be changing, slowly, but surely.
But then you have the war, which came at an enormous cost to the fledgling nation in literally every aspect of its being; lives, money, innovation, global stature, etc. These are effects so profound that they are STILL playing out sociopolitically as well as economically.
Not to detract from the immediate positives of the war, or even to really suggest that Lincoln's strategy wasn't the only path which would have ultimately worked ... it's just sometimes a beneficial academic exploration to revise history.
But then you have the war, which came at an enormous cost to the fledgling nation in literally every aspect of its being; lives, money, innovation, global stature, etc. These are effects so profound that they are STILL playing out sociopolitically as well as economically.
Not to detract from the immediate positives of the war, or even to really suggest that Lincoln's strategy wasn't the only path which would have ultimately worked ... it's just sometimes a beneficial academic exploration to revise history.