chop2chip
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I wasn’t ever a huge fan of the strategy, but if the Braves hit on Fried, Soroka, and Anderson that’s a good hit clip and that’s without mentioning Folty’s great season.
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I wasn’t ever a huge fan of the strategy, but if the Braves hit on Fried, Soroka, and Anderson that’s a good hit clip and that’s without mentioning Folty’s great season.
Since we're talking about "stuff" and there's not a good place to put this. If you're only considering what they've done so far, AA gave up on Allard too early - he's been better than Wright and pals...
Rangers' Kolby Allard: Takes tough loss
(23 hrs ago) Allard (0-4) was charged with the loss against the Astros on Wednesday, allowing two runs on two hits and a pair of walks while striking out four across seven innings.
After surrendering an early two-run homer to Michael Brantley in the first inning, Allard prevented any additional damage, stretching his outing to the longest of the season. Once again, the southpaw showed a glimmer of potential. During his last outing against the A's, Allard took a no-hitter into the sixth before giving up two runs. Despite the improved performance, the 23-year-old remains winless on the season. He'll look to bounce back Monday at Seattle.
Rangers' Kolby Allard: Takes tough loss
(23 hrs ago) Allard (0-4) was charged with the loss against the Astros on Wednesday, allowing two runs on two hits and a pair of walks while striking out four across seven innings.
After surrendering an early two-run homer to Michael Brantley in the first inning, Allard prevented any additional damage, stretching his outing to the longest of the season. Once again, the southpaw showed a glimmer of potential. During his last outing against the A's, Allard took a no-hitter into the sixth before giving up two runs. Despite the improved performance, the 23-year-old remains winless on the season. He'll look to bounce back Monday at Seattle.
chop2chip
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Allard would be useful to have but Martin is a better pitcher. Not losing any sleep over that trade.
NYCBrave
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No I get that. I'm just viewing this from a big picture perspective. The fact that we had multiple picks at the top of the draft. And with that comes some expectation of a highly likelihood you're going to get an ace out of that. Maybe my own skewed view.
And I still think one of Davidson/Weigel/VV/Muller will hit as well.
Even if they don't it looks like the braves have developed two aces. That has to count for something.
Soroka has worked out well if you put aside time lost to injury but we traded for Fried and Anderson isn’t a real great get considering who else was available.
Doesn't matter if it was a trade. It was part of the accumulation of pitchers that was at the core of the strategy.
Let’s not count our chickens with Soroka. He’s been great but I don’t think there’s a precedent for a pitcher returning after tearing his Achilles on his push leg.
Ok well riddle me this. If it was such a great plan why can’t we find enough pitchers to fill a rotation?
Completely fair but can you hold it against the strategy if an apparent ace pitcher ruins his career from a non arm injury?
We had some absurd luck with injuries and non performance. Even if one of soroka or hamels was healthy right now we would be cruising to a top 5 record in baseball.
Russ2dollas
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How can you think Davidson and Weigel will be good when they are on the 40 man and we are starting Erlin and Tomlin?
Muller flashes but he can't consistently throw strikes. He's a pen arm. VV has potential but he's a big risk given he's a sub 6 foot right hander.
Yes. Injuries are injuries and pitchers are far more susceptible than position players. Soroka also previously missed time with a shoulder issue.
I believe they are being super cautious with Weigel. We will see him next season.
Davidson was the furthest away of the guys on the 40 man. I also thjnk he will get his shot next season.
You are definitely on the smart money side by saying none of those will hit though.
I cant hold a non arm related injury against the strategy.
Shoulder concerns are valid but he was dominant afterwards.
Russ2dollas
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I LOVED Weigel before the injury. It's been 2 years. They have not let him pitch.
If you do not get a shot this year and Erlin does....that says enough for me. They put Anderson on the 40 man early.
Hard to argue against this logic.
Southcack77
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For all the upset about Anderson being the first pitcher picked in the class, he and AJ Puk are the most accomplished of at least the first round adjacent pitching picks.
Southcack77
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That seems like a reasonable point until you realize that the Braves also started Erlin, Tomlin, Ynoa, etc before they called up Ian Anderson.
The alternate site is a black box. We have no clue what is going on there and why the Braves have been reluctant to activate guys from that environment.
I tend to believe that people with advanced knowledge and expertise make decisions that seem logical to them according to the information that they have. Sometimes, competing interests and concerns can obscure the best decisions.
I currently am less trustful of their pitching decisions than I was before based on their insistence on trotting out retreads who seem pretty obviously not up to the task over younger, more talented players, who might be able to figure it out.
I also am not sure that they have come up with a coherent plan for getting the most out of what they do have beyond throwing a guy and seeing how many innings they can squeeze out of him through luck and happenstance.