Ian Anderson's stuff

thethe said:
I believe they are being super cautious with Weigel. We will see him next season.

Davidson was the furthest away of the guys on the 40 man. I also thjnk he will get his shot next season.

You are definitely on the smart money side by saying none of those will hit though.
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All things considered, I don't expect Weigel to be the answer.

But, I do think he would have been the first modest Braves pitching hit had he not gotten injured when he did. I'd rather get a look at some innings from him than watch a gaggle of MLB guys who must be amazed to have jobs on a first place team.
 
thethe said:
Hard to argue against this logic.
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To be clear, I want nothing more than for one of those guys to get an opportunity over Erlin.

I just don't believe Erlin has any shot of providing value in the playoffs or long term.

I also think Tomlin can bounce back and forth no problem. So I would love to have Weigel or Davidson in one spot and Wright or Touki in the other.

No argument from me that the people actually watching the alternative site no more about the readiness of those guys than I do. That is what makes me scared. B/c if you have a mid 20s starter who is on the 40 man and you think Erlin gives you a better shot of winning on a Tuesday, then that says a lot about your young starter.
 
clvclv said:
Since we're talking about "stuff" and there's not a good place to put this. If you're only considering what they've done so far, AA gave up on Allard too early - he's been better than Wright and pals...

Rangers' Kolby Allard: Takes tough loss
(23 hrs ago) Allard (0-4) was charged with the loss against the Astros on Wednesday, allowing two runs on two hits and a pair of walks while striking out four across seven innings.
After surrendering an early two-run homer to Michael Brantley in the first inning, Allard prevented any additional damage, stretching his outing to the longest of the season. Once again, the southpaw showed a glimmer of potential. During his last outing against the A's, Allard took a no-hitter into the sixth before giving up two runs. Despite the improved performance, the 23-year-old remains winless on the season. He'll look to bounce back Monday at Seattle.
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Dude still has a 5.40 ERA, it's not like he's pitching well. One good start means very little.
 
Unfortunately those decisions are based on a lot of other considerations beyond which gives you best chance to win today's game.

I wish we knew what those considerations are. It might make more sense to us.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Dude still has a 5.40 ERA, it's not like he's pitching well. One good start means very little.
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Allard has given up two-thirds of his runs in one-third of his starts. He didn't get out of the first inning in one of his two absolutely miserable starts. I'm not contending Allard is an answer to the Braves' rotation issues and Martin was a decent return that was needed, but he's pitched pretty well. Of course, small sample size in a very odd season so the jury will remain out.
 
50PoundHead said:
Allard has given up two-thirds of his runs in one-third of his starts. He didn't get out of the first inning in one of his two absolutely miserable starts. I'm not contending Allard is an answer to the Braves' rotation issues and Martin was a decent return that was needed, but he's pitched pretty well. Of course, small sample size in a very odd season so the jury will remain out.
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I don't dislike Allard but I'm definitely of the feeling that it was totally worth it for Martin. He's been a monster with Atlanta.
 
50PoundHead said:
Allard has given up two-thirds of his runs in one-third of his starts. He didn't get out of the first inning in one of his two absolutely miserable starts. I'm not contending Allard is an answer to the Braves' rotation issues and Martin was a decent return that was needed, but he's pitched pretty well. Of course, small sample size in a very odd season so the jury will remain out.
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At what point in his recent major league or minor league career has he been anything other than a younger version of Tom Milone? Not trying to be sarcastic, but there’s not a lot of meat on the bone to dwell on.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
I don't dislike Allard but I'm definitely of the feeling that it was totally worth it for Martin. He's been a monster with Atlanta.
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Allard got us 2 months of Martin where he was just okay (and was injured). Let’s not overstate the returns here.
 
chop2chip said:
At what point in his recent major league or minor league career has he been anything other than a younger version of Tom Milone? Not trying to be sarcastic, but there’s not a lot of meat on the bone to dwell on.
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Allard's four-seamer is 5 mph faster than Milone's in 2020. Hard to know if Allard can maintain that over a longer stretch, but he's added a notch since going over the Texas. Again--as I stated in my original post--it's a small sample size and Allard might be experiencing some good fortune in that his walk rate is high, but BAA is low. I'm not regretting the trade, but Allard was rushed through the lower minors and was recovering from a back injury when the Braves drafted him. I didn't really like the pick because usually raves about "pitchability" in scout lingo means a deficit of raw stuff and when you are drafted in the slot where Allard was drafted, raw stuff is usually the premium.

Milone is 33 and has a ton of stamps on his baseball passport. Maybe Allard's story will be the same in ten years. But right now, he's not Milone.
 
Russ2dollas said:
How can you think Davidson and Weigel will be good when they are on the 40 man and we are starting Erlin and Tomlin?

Muller flashes but he can't consistently throw strikes. He's a pen arm. VV has potential but he's a big risk given he's a sub 6 foot right hander.
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Here we go with the "pen arm" crap again - and before he's even thrown a competitive pitch at the AAA level. Have you ever seen him other than on YouTube?

Muller was almost 3 and 1/2 years younger than the guys he was competing against in Mississippi last summer - how 'bout we give him just a little time before saying he's the next coming of Sean Newcomb?

The last "two-pitch RP" the Braves called up just became the second guy to ever beat the Yankees and Red Sox back-to-back to start his career.
 
clvclv said:
Here we go with the "pen arm" crap again - and before he's even thrown a competitive pitch at the AAA level. Have you ever seen him other than on YouTube?

Muller was almost 3 and 1/2 years younger than the guys he was competing against in Mississippi last summer - how 'bout we give him just a little time before saying he's the next coming of Sean Newcomb?

The last "two-pitch RP" the Braves called up just became the second guy to ever beat the Yankees and Red Sox back-to-back to start his career.
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i'm no pitching guru. he just doesn't seem that athletic and he can't repeat his delivery.

I just don't see him repeating his delivery for 5+ innings. I'd love to be wrong.

Touki is athletic. But he cant repeat the delivery either.
 
Interesting that they shuffled the rotation to push Anderson back to go against the Marlins - will be more interesting to see if Wright and Folty get the other two starts against them.
 
Enscheff said:
To me, Touki is a BP candidate because of the wipe out CU and questionable control. Wright just has a bunch of good pitches, and he has to be able to execute them to be effective in any way, and if he can't he's just a more talented Lucas Simms who will bounce around between every team that thinks they can "fix" him.
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i’ve been hammering this point home as striker and i went at it multiple times about Anderson and his control and i’ve been vindicated. striker was convinced Anderson had actual control issues due to his numbers but nothing and no one else even suggested it in scouting reports. Touki very clearly has control issues. anyone who watched him can tell right away. Anderson does not, and did not. striker repeatedly beat that drum. but he was clearly wrong. plain and simple. either Anderson improved his control a ton between last minors season and today, or he never had issues to begin with. quite obvious the latter is true.
 
striker42 said:
I'm not sure why this is even a debate. He showed a passable curve against the Sox. Paired with his good fastball and change there's general agreement he should be a solid starter provided his control and health hold up. A number 3 starter might not be what you want out of a 3rd overall draft pick but it sure is something we need.
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i think the debate comes from the fact that you tend to judge players you’ve never seen too quickly.
 
Super said:
i think the debate comes from the fact that you tend to judge players you’ve never seen too quickly.
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It's a forum, we're not making trade decisions based on this stuff. If we were all like you we'd just take everything the front office tells us as the gospel truth and believe in their infallibility.

You say no one talked about his control issues but no one raved about his control either. Anderson got fairly little coverage as he made his way through the system.

I still wonder how he was walking over 4 per 9 in the minors. You don't walk that rate and not need improvement.
 
Southcack77 said:
All things considered, I don't expect Weigel to be the answer.

But, I do think he would have been the first modest Braves pitching hit had he not gotten injured when he did. I'd rather get a look at some innings from him than watch a gaggle of MLB guys who must be amazed to have jobs on a first place team.
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Remember, before TJ...Weigel was out performing all pitchers. He was looking incredible and was weeks if not days from a call up (if not for the injury). Maybe he never regains form. I would say they give him chances and take it slow with him. He was one of the head of scouting’s absolute favorites in the system.

I think he will at least become a very solid reliever. Strangely enough, control was one of Weigel’s strong points before the injury.
 
striker42 said:
You say no one talked about his control issues but no one raved about his control either. Anderson got fairly little coverage as he made his way through the system.

I still wonder how he was walking over 4 per 9 in the minors. You don't walk that rate and not need improvement.
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i’ve no idea what you’re talking about in regard to the FO saying stuff. legit.

and i’ve explained countless times how that can happen and how the numbers can be deceiving. his worst walk rate that wasn’t SSS came when he was 19 in A ball...other than that he would start rough and improve a ton as the season went on. it was pretty easy to see.

i’m curious where this apparent huge improvement came from. a few weeks not seeing real hitters in Braves camp? or was there never really a problem to begin with? again, it’s obvious which is true. it’s been obvious.
 
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