Impeachment
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cajunrevenge
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https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...ment-condemning-russia-for-attacking-ukraine/
White house blocked state department from releasing q condemnation of Russia for attacking Ukranian ships near Crimea in 2018. How many dots does it take before some of you start connecting them.
White house blocked state department from releasing q condemnation of Russia for attacking Ukranian ships near Crimea in 2018. How many dots does it take before some of you start connecting them.
cajunrevenge
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No, he has no credibility so I paid no attention to that.
cajunrevenge
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-cia-officer-eric-ciaramella-is-whistleblower
Whistleblower may have been outed. Let's see how Trump makes this worse for himself.
Whistleblower may have been outed. Let's see how Trump makes this worse for himself.
has he referred to Vindman as treasonous yet.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
57Brave
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This would have weight had he stayed in the party.
Now his words mean as much as Bill Weld
Something about inside the tent and outside the tent
Seat at the table or outside the room wondering what is going on at the table
Disappointed Amash didn't remain (R) and work to transform rather than becoming just another niche voice
Now his words mean as much as Bill Weld
Something about inside the tent and outside the tent
Seat at the table or outside the room wondering what is going on at the table
Disappointed Amash didn't remain (R) and work to transform rather than becoming just another niche voice
The one that proved to be accurate?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1285c6-fb62-11e9-8190-6be4deb56e01_story.html
Tim Morrison, the top Russia and Europe adviser on President Trump’s National Security Council, on Thursday corroborated the testimony of a senior U.S. diplomat who last week offered House impeachment investigators the most detailed account to date for how Trump tried to use his office to pressure Ukraine to investigate former vice president Joe Biden, according to people familiar with his deposition.
Morrison told impeachment investigators that the account offered by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting ambassador to Ukraine, is accurate. He said that he alerted Taylor to a push by Trump and his deputies to withhold both security aid and a White House visit for the Ukrainian president until Ukraine agreed to investigate the Bidens and interference in the 2016 presidential election, said one person, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions.
Morrison corroborated that he spoke with Taylor at least twice in early September. The first conversation was to alert him that Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, had told the Ukrainians that no U.S. aid would be forthcoming until they announced an investigation of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that had hired Biden’s son Hunter, a person familiar with the matter said.
Morrison also told lawmakers that he spoke with Taylor again on Sept. 7 to share a “sinking feeling” about a worrisome conversation between Trump and Sondland, the person said. Morrison said that, during that conversation, Trump said he wasn’t seeking a “quid pro quo” but went on to insist that Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky had to publicly announce that he was opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference.
Tim Morrison, the top Russia and Europe adviser on President Trump’s National Security Council, on Thursday corroborated the testimony of a senior U.S. diplomat who last week offered House impeachment investigators the most detailed account to date for how Trump tried to use his office to pressure Ukraine to investigate former vice president Joe Biden, according to people familiar with his deposition.
Morrison told impeachment investigators that the account offered by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting ambassador to Ukraine, is accurate. He said that he alerted Taylor to a push by Trump and his deputies to withhold both security aid and a White House visit for the Ukrainian president until Ukraine agreed to investigate the Bidens and interference in the 2016 presidential election, said one person, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions.
Morrison corroborated that he spoke with Taylor at least twice in early September. The first conversation was to alert him that Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, had told the Ukrainians that no U.S. aid would be forthcoming until they announced an investigation of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that had hired Biden’s son Hunter, a person familiar with the matter said.
Morrison also told lawmakers that he spoke with Taylor again on Sept. 7 to share a “sinking feeling” about a worrisome conversation between Trump and Sondland, the person said. Morrison said that, during that conversation, Trump said he wasn’t seeking a “quid pro quo” but went on to insist that Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky had to publicly announce that he was opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Taylor's testimony on the events of September 1:
During this same phone call I had with Mr. Morrison, he went on to describe a
conversation Ambassador Sondland had with Mr. Yermak at Warsaw.
Ambassador Sondland told Mr. Yermak that the security assistance money would
not come until President Zelenskyy committed to pursue the Burisma investigation.
I was alarmed by what Mr. Morrison told me about the Sondland-Yermak conversation.
This was the first time I had heard that the security assistance—not
just the White House meeting—was conditioned on the investigations.
Very concerned, on that same day I sent Ambassador Sondland a text message
asking if “we [are] now saying that security assistance and [a] WH meeting are
conditioned on investigations?” Ambassador Sondland responded asking me to
call him, which I did. During that phone call, Ambassador Sondland told me that
President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelenskyy to state publicly
that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the
2016 U.S. election.
Ambassador Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a
mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White
House meeting with President Zelenskyy was dependent on a public announcement
of investigations—in fact, Ambassador Sondland said, “everything” was dependent
on such an announcement, including security assistance. He said that President
Trump wanted President Zelenskyy “in a public box” by making a public statement
about ordering such investigations.
On September 5, I hosted Senators Johnson and Murphy for a visit to Kyiv.
During their visit, we met with President Zelenskyy. His first question to the
senators was about the withheld security assistance. My recollection of the
meeting is that both senators stressed that bipartisan support for Ukraine in
Washington was Ukraine’s most important strategic asset and that President
Zelenskyy should not jeopardize that bipartisan support by getting drawn into U.S.
domestic politics.
During this same phone call I had with Mr. Morrison, he went on to describe a
conversation Ambassador Sondland had with Mr. Yermak at Warsaw.
Ambassador Sondland told Mr. Yermak that the security assistance money would
not come until President Zelenskyy committed to pursue the Burisma investigation.
I was alarmed by what Mr. Morrison told me about the Sondland-Yermak conversation.
This was the first time I had heard that the security assistance—not
just the White House meeting—was conditioned on the investigations.
Very concerned, on that same day I sent Ambassador Sondland a text message
asking if “we [are] now saying that security assistance and [a] WH meeting are
conditioned on investigations?” Ambassador Sondland responded asking me to
call him, which I did. During that phone call, Ambassador Sondland told me that
President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelenskyy to state publicly
that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the
2016 U.S. election.
Ambassador Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a
mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White
House meeting with President Zelenskyy was dependent on a public announcement
of investigations—in fact, Ambassador Sondland said, “everything” was dependent
on such an announcement, including security assistance. He said that President
Trump wanted President Zelenskyy “in a public box” by making a public statement
about ordering such investigations.
On September 5, I hosted Senators Johnson and Murphy for a visit to Kyiv.
During their visit, we met with President Zelenskyy. His first question to the
senators was about the withheld security assistance. My recollection of the
meeting is that both senators stressed that bipartisan support for Ukraine in
Washington was Ukraine’s most important strategic asset and that President
Zelenskyy should not jeopardize that bipartisan support by getting drawn into U.S.
domestic politics.
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Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Well, he confirmed the relevant facts about aid being conditioned on public announcement of investigation of the Bidens.
Sure, it counts. His opinion is that there was nothing illegal on the call. Good as far as it goes, but that’s a rather narrow reading, for sure. Doesn’t speak to the propriety of it, doesn’t speak to explicit quid pro quo delivered in other forums. So it’s not exactly a robust defense of Trump’s actions.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Actually his opinion for someone in his job is reasonable. He was interested in the implications of the conversation for our interests in that part of the world. The issue of illegality was not on his mind.
Illegality is really not the issue here. You can have impeachment for abuse of office without a violation of a specific statute. If you want to get technical about the law though, I think inviting another country to participate in a disinformation campaign aimed at influencing voters is a violation of the law. The head of the FEC has said as much. So is placing a hold on aid appropriated by Congress for reasons that don't meet the legal standard for placing such a hold. But those are not really the issue here. The issue is the gross abuse of office.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
It’s a pretty good measure of where things are for Republicans right now. Morrison saying that he saw nothing illegal on the call is the tiny glimmer that they’ve latched onto, when he confirmed the quid pro quo—trading taxpayer-funded, Congressionally appropriated aid for a hit on a political opponent—that they’ve been denying.