Implications of the Trade

[Hudson2]

We need an ace and 2 bats to be legit. One a young controllable bat and the other can be a Cesepedes or Braun type. But meeting with Greinke or Price you'd have to have a good sales pitch and it all starts with the new stadium. We're a pretty attractive destination. Look at the money we have and more on the way with the new stadium, the farm system, the talent we already have in place, and the new stadium itself.

 

[smootness]

We need an ace and 2 bats to be legit. One a young controllable bat and the other can be a Cesepedes or Braun type. But meeting with Greinke or Price you'd have to have a good sales pitch and it all starts with the new stadium. We're a pretty attractive destination. Look at the money we have and more on the way with the new stadium, the farm system, the talent we already have in place, and the new stadium itself.

The cost of that would be unbelievable. Even a guy like Cespedes is going to make a ton. An ace alone would pretty much put us near the top of our budget for next year.

 

[smootness]

I think the goal in signing Grienke would be to compete. I hope they would augment the team further by getting another bat in the lineup. I believe that Olivera is going to produce so thats already one guy. I also think Markakis is going to have more power next year so thats an improvement as well. I'm not sure why its such a far fetched scenario to imagine the Braves being in the WC hunt next year.

It all starts with getting either Grienke or Price though. Without them the pitching doesn't stack up.

It's not out of the question. If Teheran bounces back, a rotation of Miller-Zimmerman-Teheran-Wisler-Fister, or something similar, would be good, and we should be able to put together a decent bullpen with the options we'll have there.

If it was Grienke or Price, the rotation could be very good, but I just don't see that happening.

But Freeman, Olivera, Markakis, Maybin is a start for an offense, but it would still need a pretty significant piece to be average. I think we'll give Bethancourt another shot next year, so if we can add a RF through trade, I could see us being an above-.500 team with a chance to make a run at the postseason.

But we would still need some of our young bats, guys like Albies, Ruiz, Davidson, Peterson, etc. to progress and be close to have a lot of hope of being much better in 2017.

 

[zitothebrave]

I think Brett Anderson on a short-term contract is one of our better options. Maybe our best option. Braves were the runners up for his services this past offseason, so they like him. Has had injury issues, but solid GB lefty when healthy. Career xFIP of 3.50. Alex Wood's career xFIP as a SP is 3.53.

The grouping of guys around him were long term signings. Brett AAnderson is a good pitcher when healthy, But the when healthy is the key part. his major league starts by season

2009 - 30
2010 - 19
2011 - 13
2012 - 6
2013 - 5 *was featured out of the pen
2014 - 8
2015 - 20

I guess the brightside is most of his injuries haven't been arm or shoulder, but I wouldn't make even a remotely serious invention. Maybe a 1 year witha bunch of team/vesting options.

 

[Hudson2]

The cost of that would be unbelievable. Even a guy like Cespedes is going to make a ton. An ace alone would pretty much put us near the top of our budget for next year.

It would be expensive for sure but getting a bunch of role players isn't gonna sell seats in the new stadium and they need a buzz going into it and a winning product. Maybin, Peterson, and guys like that don't draw fans in.

 

[Heyward]

The cost of that would be unbelievable. Even a guy like Cespedes is going to make a ton. An ace alone would pretty much put us near the top of our budget for next year.

We have a budget of around 100 mil next year.

Our bullpen is close to set in stone next year since alot of them are cheap (Grilli, Viz, Withrow, McKirahan, Shae, etc)

Julio, Miller, Wisler dont make a ton so a top of the rotation ace and a bat like Ces would cost alot. Really interested to see his market though.

 

[Heyward]

It's not out of the question. If Teheran bounces back, a rotation of Miller-Zimmerman-Teheran-Wisler-Fister, or something similar, would be good, and we should be able to put together a decent bullpen with the options we'll have there.

If it was Grienke or Price, the rotation could be very good, but I just don't see that happening.

But Freeman, Olivera, Markakis, Maybin is a start for an offense, but it would still need a pretty significant piece to be average. I think we'll give Bethancourt another shot next year, so if we can add a RF through trade, I could see us being an above-.500 team with a chance to make a run at the postseason.

But we would still need some of our young bats, guys like Albies, Ruiz, Davidson, Peterson, etc. to progress and be close to have a lot of hope of being much better in 2017.

Im not sure i'd sign Zimmerman.

Kazmir would be cheaper and has been really good the last 2 years.

 

[smootness]

We have a budget of around 100 mil next year.

Our bullpen is close to set in stone next year since alot of them are cheap (Grilli, Viz, Withrow, McKirahan, Shae, etc)

Julio, Miller, Wisler dont make a ton so a top of the rotation ace and a bat like Ces would cost alot. Really interested to see his market though.

Somebody posted here the other day that we have something like $67 on the books for next year at this point. Freeman, Markakis, CJ, Teheran, Simmons...we don't have huge contracts but we do have some money on the books. At that amount and without a significantly increased payroll, an ace and Cespedes alone would blow us through the ceiling on our budget. You're talking probably around $30 for a Price or Greinke and at least $15-20 for Cespedes.

And I absolutely do not want us artificially busting our window open early if it means selling off significant future pieces just so we can sell more seats. Fans will come when we win, and I'd rather us follow our natural window and just add pieces when it makes sense.

 

[smootness]

Im not sure i'd sign Zimmerman.

Kazmir would be cheaper and has been really good the last 2 years.

I'd be fine with that. I'm just saying those are likely the top of the guys we'll go after. I just don't see us signing Price, Greinke, or Cueto.

 

[Hawk]

Antithetically, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I would be surprised if the Braves don't sign Price. Right player, right time.

I also don't think the bidding will sniff $30MM, but if it did I would run for the hills.

Probably no major FA bats, certainly not Cespedes, but perhaps a Teheran for Soler type deal and another veteran starter or two.

Braves might give a rotation spot to Jenkins in 2016.

 

[smootness]

Antithetically, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I would be surprised if the Braves don't sign Price. Right player, right time.

I also don't think the bidding will sniff $30MM, but if it did I would run for the hills.

Probably no major FA bats, certainly not Cespedes, but perhaps a Teheran for Soler type deal and another veteran starter or two.

Braves might give a rotation spot to Jenkins in 2016.

Scherzer got it, so I see no reason why Price wouldn't. If you decide you're going to do what you can to get an ace, you have to be prepared to at least approach $30 million. That's the going rate.

 

[Hawk]

Scherzer got it, so I see no reason why Price wouldn't. If you decide you're going to do what you can to get an ace, you have to be prepared to at least approach $30 million. That's the going rate.

Different market, market correction, all that jazz.

I mentioned it another thread, but I find it unlikely that teams fork over $1B to Price/Greinke/Shark/Cueto/Zimmermann.

 

[smootness]

Different market, market correction, all that jazz.

I mentioned it another thread, but I find it unlikely that teams fork over $1B to Price/Greinke/Shark/Cueto/Zimmermann.

I don't see any natural market corrections coming. Continual increase in TV contracts, success of Kershaw and Scherzer...I just don't see last year as an aberration. Kershaw and Scherzer are the last 2 true aces to sign deals, and they both got $30 million. Lester got more than $25.

I can see an argument that the supply of top pitchers available will keep contracts down somewhat, but that will probably come from number of years offered, not money per year.

And I think you'll see that more with the second tier guys. There's going to be money out there for Price and Greinke. Shoot, Greinke is still under contract for about $24 per; he's not opting out unless he's looking for a clear raise.

 

[yeezus]

I'm 100% in favor of going for Price. He should hold up for years to come.

 

[Tapate50]

Antithetically, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I would be surprised if the Braves don't sign Price. Right player, right time.

I also don't think the bidding will sniff $30MM, but if it did I would run for the hills.

Probably no major FA bats, certainly not Cespedes, but perhaps a Teheran for Soler type deal and another veteran starter or two.

Braves might give a rotation spot to Jenkins in 2016.

Certainly seems like we are setting our team up that way. I think they have liked him a lot for a long time, and the fact we have unloaded a ton of payroll just when he hits FA speaks a little about our intentions I think. He has been rock solid Ace his whole career.

 

[dak]

Different market, market correction, all that jazz.

I think the FA market this year is unusually deep in #2 / #3 starters. That's the market opportunity I'd like to see the Braves exploit. I don't foresee that having a significant impact on Price's market. He's the only guy on this market who has it all: ace-level production and stuff, history of health and durability, great makeup and ability to lead a staff, and no QO attached. I think it's likely someone will give him a contract similar to Scherzer's.

I'm really curious to see what Friedman does on the SP market. He has seemed reluctant thus far to win FA bidding wars for blue chip guys. Will he look for value in #2 / #3 starters like he did last offseason? Will he offer a guy like Price a different type of contract, like $35m AAV over 4 guaranteed years? Should be a nice mix of fun and depressing to watch.

 

[Chico]

Looking at this year's class compared to next year's class of Strasburg, Ivan Nova, and Andrew Cashner I wonder if anyone would roll the dice on a one year deal to come out next offseason and maximize their value.

 

[nsacpi]

I think the FA market this year is unusually deep in #2 / #3 starters. That's the market opportunity I'd like to see the Braves exploit. I don't foresee that having a significant impact on Price's market. He's the only guy on this market who has it all: ace-level production and stuff, history of health and durability, great makeup and ability to lead a staff, and no QO attached. I think it's likely someone will give him a contract similar to Scherzer's.

I'm really curious to see what Friedman does on the SP market. He has seemed reluctant thus far to win FA bidding wars for blue chip guys. Will he look for value in #2 / #3 starters like he did last offseason? Will he offer a guy like Price a different type of contract, like $35m AAV over 4 guaranteed years? Should be a nice mix of fun and depressing to watch.

It is going to be a glut of pitching in the FA market. Teams that are patient this off-season are going to come away with some tremendous bargains.

 

[UNCBlue012]

Antithetically, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I would be surprised if the Braves don't sign Price. Right player, right time.

I also don't think the bidding will sniff $30MM, but if it did I would run for the hills.

Probably no major FA bats, certainly not Cespedes, but perhaps a Teheran for Soler type deal and another veteran starter or two.

Braves might give a rotation spot to Jenkins in 2016.

I tend to agree and even more when it comes to a guy like Price or Greinke. I could be wrong, but I think the Wood move was a precursor to this becoming a thing.

I hope we go after a Cespedes, JUP or JHey type, but you never know. This team has been incredibly sneaky.

 

[yeezus]

It is going to be a glut of pitching in the FA market. Teams that are patient this off-season are going to come away with some tremendous bargains.

It may be difficult to be patient for a team who wants Price. Might not be able to wait it out.