sturg33
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Well you're saying he is a top 60 hitter in the majors. That implies, on average, he would be a top two hitter on just about every team in baseball
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Well you're saying he is a top 60 hitter in the majors. That implies, on average, he would be a top two hitter on just about every team in baseball
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Stanton hit 26 more homers last year than Heyward.
Yes, that is more valuable than Heyward's defense in RF.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Sure, he's a solid #2 hitter.
Let me rephrase: A team would be crazy to pay Heyward $25MM per year, as that kind of money is usually dished out to aces and the TOP MOTO bats, neither of which applies to Heyward.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Who is slobbering on Olivera and "hating" Heyward? Where am I "hating" Heyward?
Saying he shouldn't get $25MM is not hating him.
sturg33
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You've been hating Heyward since the beginning of the season. I knew how he was doing because you would give us all updates on him sucking.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Heyward is good and he's going to get paid. My guess is he'll be a bit overpaid in that he's young and he's a sabermetric wet dream. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is a really solid player. I'm guessing he's going to be well above $20 million AAV and he's going to get 6 or 7 years. That probably prices him out of the Braves' market. So that brings us back to the question as to whether or not it was wise to trade him or not. My guess is he wouldn't have re-signed with the Braves and then you have to gauge the value of return in trade to the value of a draft pick. To me, that's the only question that matters now.
Yeah, usually. And there usually aren't 26-year-old free agents with the all-around game of Heyward, with still potential for even more.
Heyward is in no way a usual case, and he won't get usual free agent money. He's going to get paid.
If someone signs him for significantly less than Stanton, they will get a deal comparatively speaking.
Tapate50
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Objectively- Are you talking about John Hart here?
Not many I have seen on this board is talking about Olivera the way Heyward is revered here. The only advantage Olivera offers is a roughly 30M salary over the life of his deal and he plays a position of offensive scarcity.
Most people aren't "hating" Heyward, just discussing his value. If we all just said, "Aw Shucks WAR and all he'll get 400 M if he hits the market!", what fun or merit is there in that?
Relax. I don't think anyone here brings up points that others in the pundit industry haven't expressed, so its far from "hating" as they say. There are a wide array of views on Heyward obviously.
The number of years will be really interesting to see. I could see Heyward wanting to get to free agency again at 30 or 31 and basically bet on himself to improve offensively. If that happens, I could see him getting between 5/125 and 6/150. If he goes for more like a 10-year-deal, I think it would bring the AAV down a little, so something like 10/235.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
lmao yup, ok. I've always said I like a lot about Heyward's game.
And regardless, your hyperbolic comments are useless here as no one is hating Heyward in this discussion. No one. Just your typical nonsense.
sturg33
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Well, as yeezus reminds us in another thread, Jace Peterson - at age 25 - has not hit his peak.
But Jason Heyward - at age 25 - certainly has. No room for improvement
sturg33
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I'm extraordinarily calm. Perhaps you should direct that to the folks who consistently use the all caps and the 13 year old girl expressions to prove a point
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Oh, Mr. Straw Man - good to meet you!
I never said this, but if you could quote me and prove me wrong, please do. In fact, that's another thing I've said all along - he definitely has room to grow and improve. I just don't want to pay $25MM on the hope he does.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Gladly, where dey ?
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
To go further:
1) I never said Jace hasn't reached his peak. My exact quote was "I'm not convinced" he has.
2) I never said Jason has reached his peak and can't improve. Never.
3) Part of my point was Jace is a rookie still making adjustments. But again, one has nothing to do with the other.
4) No one is talking about Jace getting $25MM per year. So again, what's the point of bringing it up?
Your hyperbole, snark, and tendency to put words in people's mouths is no way aid your argument.
1) I never said Jace hasn't reached his peak. My exact quote was "I'm not convinced" he has.
2) I never said Jason has reached his peak and can't improve. Never.
3) Part of my point was Jace is a rookie still making adjustments. But again, one has nothing to do with the other.
4) No one is talking about Jace getting $25MM per year. So again, what's the point of bringing it up?
Your hyperbole, snark, and tendency to put words in people's mouths is no way aid your argument.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Clearly I use ALL CAPS CONSISTENTLY and "13 year old girl expressions."
Seriously sturg, the "what are ya 12?!?!" responses are so, so stale. And like a lot of your other favorite tactics, they do not improve your point.
sturg33
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LULZ OK BRA
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I'm just not down to give him $25MM on the hope that he will improve an appreciable amount as a hitter. I think he has to to be worth that. $25MM is one of the best players in baseball, no? I don't think he's up there.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Do you want to respond to my claim that you put words in my mouth, or no? Specifically:
1) I said Heyward can't improve and has reached his peak.
2) I've been hating on Heyward (especially in this discussion).
We were talking about it quite fine until you entered the discussion, actually, with your usual lame hyperbole and snark. Now we're here. Yipee.