In season moves to improve the club
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The corresponding move is yet to be determined. Might be an injury to a starter. Might be a starter turning in a string of miserable performances. Might be a trade.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Cause pitchers be trippin.
bravesfanforlife88
Well-known member
In a small sample size this season, it seems like Teheran is no better than last year. His home splits are just crazy bad....I question if he will ever have any kind of trade value again.
After second thought, he makes $8m this season, $11m next season, and $12m the season after that....may have a little value to another team where he wouln't be the ace and doesn't play in a hitters park.
After second thought, he makes $8m this season, $11m next season, and $12m the season after that....may have a little value to another team where he wouln't be the ace and doesn't play in a hitters park.
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That's long past
BeanieAntics
Arbitration Eligible
Just blanket extending everyone would be a terrible idea. The odds of missing on several of those guys is just too high. Lets say we miss on Swanson and Newk and Gohara/Minter get hurt bad after 3 seasons. Well, we may have Acuna, Albies, and Soroka long term but we just wasted 10s of millions of dollars on guys that aren't helping us at all. That is tens of millions that we could have otherwise used to help our now established core of Freeman, Acuna, Albies, and Soroka. Don't get me wrong, I am all in favor of extending big time talent. But you have to take all the factors into consideration. If we could extend guys like Acuna, Albies, and hell maybe even Swanson that would be great. But just handing out extensions willy nilly is a recipe for disaster.
This guy gets it.
Further, pitchers tend to decline in stuff almost immediately, so if they are ready to make an impact they may as well be making it at the MLB level.
That doesn't mean teams should be reckless when promoting pitchers though. It just means it isn't as valuable to manipulate service clocks with them.
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The extension candidates are Acuna (unlikely), Albies (will cost something around Simmons money), Swanson (much harder to peg his contract value), Gohara and Soroka (both to Julio-ish deals).
Newk is too old to bother extending, and Minter is a BP arm who most likely won't even make it to FA.
I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but if you look at the last group of extensions...
1.) Kimbrel's deal was pretty big money for a reliever at that time, and there were (and still are) plenty of folks here who didn't like committing that level of resources to a guy who pitches 60-70 innings a year.
2.) Simmons hadn't shown any signs of being much more than a defensive specialist - albeit a great one.
3.) Many people were upset that they "chose" Freeman over Heyward - even though they were right (and actually were rebuffed by J-Hey).
4.) The general consensus at the time was that the Teheran deal was awesome as long as he didn't suffer a bad injury - so long as you accept him for what he is (a #3/#4 SP), it's not been a bad deal at all. He'll never make more than what the team paid Big Sexy last year, and at roughly $5.5 million AAV he's been cheaper (and more productive - even with his struggles) than most back-end rotation guys.
I do think the list thethe mentions is a little too long, but if AA and his cohorts are convinced enough to roll those dice on Albies, Acuna, Swanson, and one of the Pitchers it wouldn't be the worst thing.
Southcack77
Well-known member
1. Kimbrel's deal didn't make sense for a team that was going to rebuild. It makes good sense for a team that is going to be a contender and has some payroll flexibility. The Braves thought they were the second when they made the extension and knew they were the first when they made the trade.
2. You might get fierce argument from some folks that normally wouldn't argue such things that Simmons' offensive improvement last year is now his expected norm.
3. What can you do? one signed, the other didn't (thankfully).
4. The first time Teheran's deal is really might be terribly important will be when he's owed 11 million next year. The Braves might well prefer to spend that money somewhere else, but maybe it will work out fine. I'm not sure that simply letting him become a free agent rather than extending him would not have been the better course, but to this point no big deal.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I wouldn't argue with those who believe the "new" Simmons is for real - other than the fact they KNEW this was who he actually is at the time he was extended (or even when he was traded) - to that point there certainly wasn't the data that his bat would come close to what it's been recently. I think it's great that it has and still love watching him play, and hope he'll be this good for a long time - but his extension was based solely on his defense and the HOPE that his bat would develop, because it hadn't yet done so at that point.
I understand our numbers-minded friends' arguments for maximizing value as much as possible, but I'm not against players being paid market value. The reason I'm big on extensions is that they provide a mid-market team like the Braves with the cost-certainty they need to potentially supplement what they have from outside the organization. While I'd love to lock up the kids we're all fairly confident will work out and make them "Braves for life", I'm more interested in knowing how much they're going to make every year during their arbitration years so that AA can afford to gamble on a Donaldson-type who could turn into that last piece - even if he doesn't completely live up to his contract. If you can avoid having to pay Albies, Acuna, and Swanson big salaries during a 4-5 year window while you're paying Donaldson you're a whole lot closer to being a legitimate contender throughout that period. The fan in me would love to see a grouping of Freeman, Donaldson, Albies, Acuna, Swanson, Riley, Inciarte/Pache, Gohara, Soroka, Wright, and Minter locked-up for a 5 year period to see exactly what they could do - even if Freddie and Donaldson were a bit overpaid on the back-end of their careers.
Southcack77
Well-known member
I find that things get inconsistent when we start touching on players a poster enjoyed watching play.
I will cut you if you suggest Dale Murphy isn't being robbed in the HOF voting.