Indiana....
- Thread starter goldfly
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Do you understand what the law is?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Actually a more accurate story for that picture would be a gay baker refusing service to a christian client. I know your opinion sturg, businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. But we've seen what happens when that's the law.
sturg33
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So... do you think the cartoon above should be allowed? Does the owner HAVE to serve them?
Is the owner claiming religious freedom grounds?
sturg33
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Does it matter? Wouldn't you be just as outraged that the owner is serving them based on racial grounds?
Sturg, you're the guy who thinks businesses shouldn't be allowed to fire or suspend an employee for freedom of speech grounds. You think the employee's right to say stupid or offensive things trumps a business's right to discipline them.
Now you're in favor of giving the business leeway on this? LOL
Now you're in favor of giving the business leeway on this? LOL
If he chose not to serve them, it wouldn't be on racial grounds nor religious.
Then again I work at an Asian restaurant so the next time some KKK members walk in fully outfitted I'll let you know how I handle it.
sturg33
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You better serve them!!!
sturg33
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I'm not sure you understand my stance. The business has the right to discipline employees for almost anything... but there are many things I don't think they should.
For example, I don't think the NBA should have disciplined the Clippers owner for saying something in the privacy of his own home. They have the right to do so, but I think that's a ****ty employer.
I don't think AMC should have disciplined the duck dynasty dude for expressing his opinions... They have the right to do so, but I wish they hadn't.
But that's the power of the free market. And the same outrage would occur if an owner put a "no blacks allowed" sign on their door. The free market would take care of it.
57Brave
Well-known member
Appears similar to the Duck Dynasty issue the "free market" has spoken in Indiana
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/u...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
It is disingenuous to try to say this wasn't aimed at the LGBT community. evidence the people pence invited to the signing stage.
Or, he is out to lunch politically tone deaf not understanding the implications of the bill
Either way was an indictment of his (and his apologists) ability to lead anything outside of Indiana
sturg33
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Ah but the free market was wrong about this case... bc progressives are generally idiots who like to cry about being offended rather than actually understand what is happening.
The bill is not what the progressives think it is.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
No, because being a member of the KKK isn't a civil right. It's a choice. A super dumb one. And I bet if they didn't show up in their hoods, they'd be served, because they're white people. Stop being obtuse.
sturg33
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LOL it's the same ****ing thing.
57Brave
Well-known member
"you can fool some of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time"
Gov Pence seems to have had a come to Jesus with the business community who are leaning toward the notion that this was not in the best interests of Indiana. Free market and all ...
Tell me Sturg -- what do Progressives "think it is"
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I'm reminded of arguments that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
The Free Market ... seems to be disagreeing with you and the other apologists.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I think that this kind of vaguely defined religious preference—when applied to the private sector—is a slippery slope. Who really wants the courts attempting to adjudicate what a "substantial burden" is when applied to private sector business?
I run a small business that serves the public. I often provide goods and services to people whose values are largely 180 degrees opposite mine. I view it as a way of finding common ground with people with whom I disagree. In a decade of business I've heard and seen things that made my hair curl a bit, but the only time it became burdensome was when a customer dropped a couple of n-bombs on the premises. I told him that I was happy to have his business, but that if he chose to use that language on the premises, I would prefer that he take it elsewhere. This was certainly a matter of conscience and strongly-held belief, but I see no reason for the government to be involved on either end. That's the fallacy of the KKK argument—racist speech may be protected by the first amendment, but there is no further embedded legal protection for racist assholes. Certain other kinds of discrimination are treated differently, and with good reason.
I run a small business that serves the public. I often provide goods and services to people whose values are largely 180 degrees opposite mine. I view it as a way of finding common ground with people with whom I disagree. In a decade of business I've heard and seen things that made my hair curl a bit, but the only time it became burdensome was when a customer dropped a couple of n-bombs on the premises. I told him that I was happy to have his business, but that if he chose to use that language on the premises, I would prefer that he take it elsewhere. This was certainly a matter of conscience and strongly-held belief, but I see no reason for the government to be involved on either end. That's the fallacy of the KKK argument—racist speech may be protected by the first amendment, but there is no further embedded legal protection for racist assholes. Certain other kinds of discrimination are treated differently, and with good reason.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
that we as a society can't come to the basic agreement that if you want to open a business that you must treat all your customers as equal is absurd.
really? we as a society have to really judge and push your beliefs on to them for who they love? oh, you're offended that the man sticks his dick in that mans asshole in their private bedroom? well, you're an adult. get the **** over it or if you really think about it that much, start taking dick yourself or don't open a business at all.
that we use the term "freedom" when what we are really talking about is treating someone else as not as equal as someone else is sickening.
we either have an actual society or we don't. if you want your religion (sure thing bedell, my view on this is a "religion" :rolleyes ) to be part of the gov't, go to the middle east! ISIS loves that type of thinking
really? we as a society have to really judge and push your beliefs on to them for who they love? oh, you're offended that the man sticks his dick in that mans asshole in their private bedroom? well, you're an adult. get the **** over it or if you really think about it that much, start taking dick yourself or don't open a business at all.
that we use the term "freedom" when what we are really talking about is treating someone else as not as equal as someone else is sickening.
we either have an actual society or we don't. if you want your religion (sure thing bedell, my view on this is a "religion" :rolleyes ) to be part of the gov't, go to the middle east! ISIS loves that type of thinking