International News, Rumor and Signing Thread

My goodness we are gping all out. I'm not sure how the international market works but are we gonna get penalized for spending so much?

After this draft and next year's plus this international signing we are gonna be STACKED in the minors.

The "penalty" is a heavy tax on the spending and a cap on the bonuses we can give out for the next two IFA signing periods after this year's. The penalty is essentially useless, because blowing out your pool like we're planning to do or like the Yankees and Dodgers before us nets you far more talent, and with the way the international market works, teams can get creative and get some decent talent for lower dollar amounts later on.

The thing to watch is how the new CBA affects things. The international market is absolutely going to be overhauled, it's just not known how. There's a definite possibility that we see no penalties for our spending with the new system that could come next year.
 
The Braves are also the favorites for 3B Yenci Pena out of the Dominican. He is ranked ahead of Juan Contreras and Livan Soto on MLBPipeline.

Also, I wouldn't count us out of the Lazarito sweepstakes.

I like Lazarito, but personally wouldn't care if we don't sign him. He's rumored to be favorited by the Padres.. and I'd much rather spend money that we would be willing to spend on him on Jorge Ona (if we wanted a bat) or Adrian Morejon (if we wanted another really good LHP).
 
Baseball America Int'l article scouting shortstops, with Maitan as the cover boy donned in full Braves gear. Anyone care to post the cliff notes?
 
Well we all know June 9th is right around the corner and that is a very important date for us Braves fans.. but another date is looming very large and is right around the corner as well. June 15th. The last day of the 2015/16 Intnl' signing period.

Guys like Lazo and Vladimir Gutierrez (#1 pitching prospect) are still being scouted heavily by the Dodgers, but if they don't get it done by the 15th, then these guys will have to wait until July 2nd...
 
I like Lazarito, but personally wouldn't care if we don't sign him. He's rumored to be favorited by the Padres.. and I'd much rather spend money that we would be willing to spend on him on Jorge Ona (if we wanted a bat) or Adrian Morejon (if we wanted another really good LHP).

The Pads are 'Favored' on both of those. But, I agree, I would love to add Ona to our Int'l pool. I don't see how the Friars could afford Ona, Morejon, and Lazzo plus the others they are in on.
 
Baseball America Int'l article scouting shortstops, with Maitan as the cover boy donned in full Braves gear. Anyone care to post the cliff notes?

Not much we haven't already heard before, but very exciting to see the continuous positive glowing comments on him so close to the signing period now, especially still associated with the Braves. Considered the best in 2016 class by many teams. "Rare combination of physicality, athleticism, tools, hitting ability and overall feel for the game." Question as to whether he'll stay at SS. Braves are heavy frontrunner to land him.
 
IMO, once the ink is dry on Maitan's deal, anybody else we sign is gravy. That guy looks to be the real deal.
 
IMO, once the ink is dry on Maitan's deal, anybody else we sign is gravy. That guy looks to be the real deal.

This is where i am, he's a type of talent this organization needs.

I said the same if we get Maitan, i dont really care too much who we get. But obviously would be nice to add a couple other prospects with him if they do land him.
 
There is a Baseball America article on Kevin Maitan and other J2 short stops, but it is one of their subscriber articles. I'm not a BA subscriber.
 
There is a Baseball America article on Kevin Maitan and other J2 short stops, but it is one of their subscriber articles. I'm not a BA subscriber.

Why not, for God's sake. I have subscribed to it since 1980 and still consider it essential. FWIW, this is the only publication I subscribe to (beisdes EW).
 
Why not, for God's sake. I have subscribed to it since 1980 and still consider it essential. FWIW, this is the only publication I subscribe to (beisdes EW).

I had one and let it lapse. Haven't renewed it yet.
 
Can you give us the scoop on what it says about Maitan?

That he's at the top of the list.

Nothing new. Not a fan of posting "Insider" or subscriber-only content, but there's nothing "earth-shattering" there that hasn't been posted elsewhere.

Have to agree with rico - THE most important baseball site/publication that's worth subscribing to.
 
That he's at the top of the list.

Nothing new. Not a fan of posting "Insider" or subscriber-only content, but there's nothing "earth-shattering" there that hasn't been posted elsewhere.

Have to agree with rico - THE most important baseball site/publication that's worth subscribing to.

Fair enough. I've always believed that as long as someone's not posting every piece of information in every subscriber article, giving people a taste of what is found inside articles is actually a good way of increasing subscribers, but I understand. I figured it wasn't anything new, just always love hearing more about guys we're going to have.
 
Another view of the Maitan deal...

CARDINALS, at least their International writer, lusts after Maitan. He even talked to Law about him. You can almost see the drool on his keyboard as he wrote this:

IT is quite possible, reasonable even, that you might not have heard of Kevin Maitan. He is not eligible to sign with a team because he is too young. International players must turn 17 years old by September 1 can sign beginning July 2, and that is when we can expect one of the best international players available to sign. The Cardinals have been scouting him since he was 13, and he has received national notoriety since he was 14 years old. There are reports that he has reached a handshake agreement with the Atlanta Braves. How firm is that handshake and what does a handshake deal mean?

When I wrote about the possibility of the Cardinals making a major move in the next international signing period, I discussed the possibility of Maitan.

As for Kevin Maitan, the Venezuelan shortstop prospect is likely the best player available in this year's class. The Cardinals have been active in Venezuela, signing Avaro Seijas last season for $762,500, and rumored to be in on Victor Garcia this season. There are reports that the Atlanta Braves have had a handshake agreement with Maitan for $4.25 million since last July, but in his chat Goold called the international market "fluid" and the week before indicated the Cardinals were not "willing to concede to others".

Team's like the relative certainty when planning their signings in advance so they agree to with players and their handlers/teams on a signing bonus before they are actually allowed to do so, sometimes a year in advance. Teams can budget ahead of time and count on players and their teams to keep their agreement despite the lack of ability to enforce them. They are generally kept because often a player's handler will have other players he represents in the future, and he wants the team to count on his word.

As for who can break a handshake deal? Anybody.

They are called handshake deals because they are not in writing and they are not allowed, even though everyone understands that they happen.

The recourse for violating a handshake deal: None.

Again, they are not allowed and thus impossible to enforce. A player has literally no power in this situation. Once a team backs out, he likely has to take an offer for significantly less than what he believed he had agreed with the team. If a player backs out on a "deal", the team can steer clear from the player's representative due to a lack of trust, but they cannot get a handshake deal enforced. While future income is important to a player's representative, a one-time jackpot could be considerably more important. Kevin Maitan might be that kind of jackpot, and it is possible he has already backed out of one handshake deal already.

ESPN's Keith Law discussed his top prospect lists on a conference call earlier this week. Given the Cardinals reported interest in Maitan and the handshake deal with the Braves, I asked Law about Maitan's situation.

My understanding is that at one point Maitan and/or his representative broke an agreement with Atlanta, agreed to another number with a different club, and then Atlanta came in and offered more, and then they went back to the original arrangement just with a higher dollar figure. So it says to me if somebody calls tomorrow and says, hey, here's $8 million instead of the four and change supposedly that Atlanta has offered, why wouldn't Maitan and/or his people take that deal? They are not legally bound to anything right now. Major League Baseball cannot enforce an illegal agreement, so why wouldn't they just switch it up if it's that much more money?

He did not know about the Cardinals situation relative to Maitan, but if he were a GM, he would be making a call to Maitan's representative.

I would call and absolutely dare them to turn down $8 or $9 or $10 million because it sounds like he might be worth it. I've only seen video and it's a hell of a swing, but I've also talked to many scouts who have seen him, and they all say in some way or another, hey, this kid is the real deal.


I asked for clarification on the number, as paying that kind of bonus, given the dollar for dollar penalty would mean paying $15-$20 million for a 16-year-old. He said yes.

This is the situation where it might make sense to do that, whereas with your typical $2 million prospect out of Santo Domingo, there's no point in turning around and offering him $4 million because he's probably not a $4 million player, but if Maitan is what people think he is, then he might really be the $8 million player or the $12 million player. He seems to be a real exception. He might, and again, I haven't seen the guy, but he might be the best position player prospect in the non‑Cuban division since Sano, and if that's the case, then that's the guy where somebody should just say, screw it, we're going to ignore the convention, ignore the gentlemen's agreements, and make a run at this guy because he's that good, because it's in your individual team's best interest to be able to maybe break up that agreement and get the player.
 
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