Is Free Speech Under Attack in this Country?

zitothebrave said:
Why is it troublesome? Because it's against what you believe? Why doesn't facebook which isn't actually a true media platform not be afforded the same luxury as News Corp? Do you Fox News shoudl dedicate a primetime block to have a show hosted by a prominent liberal?
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Sigh.

I find it troubling when any speech gets shut down. Conservative, liberal, socialist, nazi, you name it. Freedom of speech is the essence of freedom.

There is no point in debating with you. You're not listening to anything and just projecting.
 
nsacpi said:
One is discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. The other is discriminating against speech it considers hateful and dangerous. Seems like there is a difference to me.
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The Baker didnt refuse to sell products to the gay customer.

He refused to make a certain cake for a certain ceremony that violated his religious beliefs.

He should have that right. Hell, he should be able to only serve white straight males if he wants to. It's his business (but since this has to be spelled out every 5 seconds... I dont think he SHOULD do that)
 
sturg33 said:
Sigh.

I find it troubling when any speech gets shut down. Conservative, liberal, socialist, nazi, you name it. Freedom of speech is the essence of freedom.

There is no point in debating with you. You're not listening to anything and just projecting.
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It seems to me Jones and Farrakhan are as free to express themselves as they have ever been. Freedom of speech is not the same thing as freedom to access a particular platform or bullhorn.
 
nsacpi said:
It seems to me Jones and Farrakhan are as free to express themselves as they have ever been. Freedom of speech is not the same thing as freedom to access a particular platform or bullhorn.
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I agree and I'm tired of explaining the same thing over and over and over.

We definitely want more echo chambers. We definitely want our colleges not allowing conservatives to speak. That's healthy in a society that values free speech.

Carry on
 
sturg33 said:
He should be able to only serve white straight males if he wants to.
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Well I'm glad that as a country we've moved to the point that a business that tries to do something like that would run afoul of our laws. Not so long ago, many people were using the argument that their sincerely held religious beliefs prevented them from serving blacks. I'm glad we no longer indulge that kind of thing.
 
nsacpi said:
Well I'm glad that as a country we've moved to the point that a business that tries to do something like that would run afoul of our laws. Not so long ago, many people were using the argument that their sincerely held religious beliefs prevented them from serving blacks. I'm glad we no longer indulge that kind of thing.
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I say let them do what they want and I suspect they will be put of business soon.

That's freedom
 
sturg33 said:
Sigh.

I find it troubling when any speech gets shut down. Conservative, liberal, socialist, nazi, you name it. Freedom of speech is the essence of freedom.

There is no point in debating with you. You're not listening to anything and just projecting.
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There's no point debating you. You just pontificate without any basis in reality.

Again, what is the difference between facebook banning users they don't want and Fox News not having a prime time liberal show? Or MSNBC not having a primetime conservative show? Or the National Inquirer actually creating news?

The difference is that Facebook is social media, which is a totally different world. But facebook, twitter, reddit, they all can decide what speech they want and what speech they don't want on their platform. They're paying the money to host their site. SAV has every right to decide what speech he wants on this site and what speech he doesn't want. And if we don't like it we go elsewhere. That's the difference between social media and traditional media is that social media is about interconnectivity as opposed to actual product creation.
 
sturg33 said:
I agree and I'm tired of explaining the same thing over and over and over.

We definitely want more echo chambers. We definitely want our colleges not allowing conservatives to speak. That's healthy in a society that values free speech.
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I think it is possible to favor healthy competitive debate while accepting that Facebook banning Jones and Farrakhan in no way infringes on that. I happen to think the climate of intolerance on college campuses is a bad thing. But it is possible to believe that without having a problem with Facebook banning Jones and Farrakhan. To me those are two pretty far removed issues.
 
sturg33 said:
You're not even arguing what my point.

I AGREE THAT FACEBOOK CAN BAN WHOEVER THEY WANT
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I'm not arguing can here, I'm arguing should. Why should facebook have to acquiesce to extremist views? For how many years were those views allowed to exist on the internet? It's been the longest time. And in that aspect of should. Should Fox News have a liberal primetime show? Should MSNBC have a conservative show. It is free speech afterall.
 
imagine thinking facebook banning alex jones and his trash people is the same as the refusing to give service to someone that you said you would do by getting a business license
 
Love to hear the argument that facebook/twitter arent interfering in our epections and how what russia did in 2016 is evem 1% as impactful as whats being done now theough banning.
 
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