Is "2017" a huge lie?

nsacpi said:
Our GM seems to.

"You can make an argument that we are actually a team that can win more games with Aybar,” Coppolella said. “Aybar is a career .276 hitter; Simmons has never hit .276 in a full season. Aybar’s a switch-hitter, 18 months back an All-Star, he can hit (first or second in the order) for you. I mean, Aybar’s a really good player. I think we traded defense for offense in this trade."
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That's one of the big problems around here IMO. What else is he supposed to say???

People that take statements like that at face value aren't very bright. It's lip-service and GM-Speak.

Coppy doesn't sniff his job if he comes out and says "Yeah we traded a great defensive SS for a guy we hope doesn't kick the ball around the yard and hits a little better and a couple of lottery tickets."

If that's what you expect to hear, you're following the wrong sport (and team).
 
Julio3000 said:
Yeah, that guy is a difference-maker.
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Who was the "difference maker" on the Royals team this year?

I think they are looking for 8 good hitters?

What does the OP even mean by "2017"? Unless I missed something, Braves fans haven't been promised a WS that year, only that the FO's plan is to put a highly competitive, exciting team on the field that year for the new stadium.
 
Runnin said:
Who was the "difference maker" on the Royals team this year?

I think they are looking for 8 good hitters?

What does the OP even mean by "2017"? Unless I missed something, Braves fans haven't been promised a WS that year, only that the FO's plan is to put a highly competitive, exciting team on the field that year for the new stadium.
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Funny thing about those Royals. In the AL they were 8th in offense, 1st in defense (by an extremely huge margin), and 9th in pitching. Seems if we wanted to go that route we would have kept Simmons.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Not on a cost benefit basis. Neither brought anything much offensively. Both were known for their defense. Simmons is better defensively but also costs more money.

Both were essentially in the lineup for their defense. Simmons is better but costs more.
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Sir, you have no idea what you are ****ing talking about; the suckage of Rafael Belliard's bat is the stuff of legends, and to compare someone like Simmons to it is an affront to deceny.

Simmons is an average hitter for a shortstop. Of the 19 SS who qualified for the batting title in 2015, Andrelton's 86 OPS+ was smack in the middle at 9th place.

Belliard's OPS+ during his time with the Braves was 41.

41.

That's at least an order of magnitude or two lower than any qualified shortstop in 2015. He spent 8 years with the Braves, and the best OPS+ he ever had with us was 61(!!!). In 8 years. That is a whole separate universe of bad hitting. He was about as far away from Simmons as a hitter as Simmons is from Freeman.

Now, regardless of all that, Belliard was a great addition to those early 90s Braves because they were building and relying upon a young group of pitchers, so having a defensive SS was a godsend. Luckily, it is okay for us to trade Simmons (who is a better defender than Belliard was, to boot), because we aren't planning on building around young pitchi-- oh, right....
 
Metaphysicist said:
Sir, you have no idea what you are ****ing talking about; the suckage of Rafael Belliard's bat is the stuff of legends, and to compare someone like Simmons to it is an affront to deceny.

Simmons is an average hitter for a shortstop. Of the 19 SS who qualified for the batting title in 2015, Andrelton's 86 OPS+ was smack in the middle at 9th place.

Belliard's OPS+ during his time with the Braves was 41.

41.

That's at least an order of magnitude or two lower than any qualified shortstop in 2015. He spent 8 years with the Braves, and the best OPS+ he ever had with us was 61(!!!). In 8 years. That is a whole separate universe of bad hitting. He was about as far away from Simmons as a hitter as Simmons is from Freeman.

Now, regardless of all that, Belliard was a great addition to those early 90s Braves because they were building and relying upon a young group of pitchers, so having a defensive SS was a godsend. Luckily, it is okay for us to trade Simmons (who is a better defender than Belliard was, to boot), because we aren't planning on building around young pitchi-- oh, right....
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Ok so Belliard's offense sucked even worse than I thought. But IIRC, the Braves never paid him any real money (nor had any trade value) and that is why Simmons is gone. But both were essentially all defense black hole offensive players. It just so happens that Belliard was a bigger offensive black hole but at a lesser relative cost.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Ok so Belliard's offense sucked even worse than I thought. But IIRC, the Braves never paid him any real money (nor had any trade value) and that is why Simmons is gone. But both were essentially all defense black hole offensive players. It just so happens that Belliard was a bigger offensive black hole but at a lesser relative cost.
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Gross over simplification with no context whatsoever.
 
Well if 2017 is a lie and its going to take a few more years then guess who is a free agent after 2018. It might be worth it just to piss of the Nationals fans. Like the Mets did to us with Glavine.
 
thewupk said:
Funny thing about those Royals. In the AL they were 8th in offense, 1st in defense (by an extremely huge margin), and 9th in pitching. Seems if we wanted to go that route we would have kept Simmons.
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LOL... to make matters worse, in the past 12 months, the Braves have traded away the 2 best defensive players in all of baseball.
 
sturg33 said:
LOL... to make matters worse, in the past 12 months, the Braves have traded away the 2 best defensive players in all of baseball.
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I get certain moves we have made in the last 12 months. I just don't see an overall plan. Seems very random and not very well thought out.
 
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