Israel

Krgrecw said:
KeithLockhart said:
No fan of Hamas but this is like US vs. War on Terror in a smaller scale.

We keep killing their innocents and expect them to be just dandy with it. Israel keeps oppressing Palestinians (whom btw no arab country really cares about) and they're surprised when Hamas does that stuff.[/QUOTE

Here is the Muslims are nice and they do no wrong liberal view point.

So Hamas shoots rockets into Israeli neighborhoods periodically and Israel finally responds. How is that Israel's fault again?

Hamas keeps killing Israeli civilians why should Israel be dandy with that?
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KeithLockhart said:
Krgrecw said:
Here are the Israelis, and they can absolutely do no wrong conservative view point.
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This is hilarious, from what I can tell this is the exact same viewpoint you just subbed in "Hamas" for "Israel".
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thethe said:
Unfortunately, I learned growing up that a lot of people are anti-Semitic. It never surprises me to learn someone else is. I kind of expect it. Jews have been persecuted since the rise of the Roman empire (I choose not to discuss ancient Egypt). For anyone to criticize how the Jewish people protect themselves is not considering what has been done to them historically. Israel has reason to believe that at any moment their fall will come.
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Israel is not a Jewish person. It is a nation-state.
 
Tapate50 said:
This is not England, US, or any other civilized area. This is an area of the world where no one values human life like we do. Civilians, militants, women, children, make no difference in that area of the world.
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That's horse****. Israel is extremely civilized, and I'm pretty sure most Israelis consider their lives pretty important.
 
thethe said:
Sure....they aren't essentially same thing. You can do your wordplay all you want.
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It's not wordplay. A Jewish person can personally suffer the effects of Anti-semitism. That is completely different than the Israel-Palestine conflict, where the "Jewish State" holds all the cards. Israel is not being "persecuted" but the "anti-semitisim" of Palestine. That is a completely moronic thing to assert.
 
Two state solution is probably the only way to fix it. Probably will never happen thanks to Arafat refusing to even submit counter proposals when Clinton's team came up with a pretty brilliant plan at the 2000 summit.

Israel has shown signs of being much more willing to actually solve this problem. Palestine's leadership has just been horrific.

These two are at war. Obviously the side with the more powerful army is going to do more damage. Think what the US would do if Cuba started bombing Florida. It wouldn't be pretty. But it is what it is. You've got to try and win if someone is launching a bunch of missiles your way.
 
Random thoughts:

Israel is a 1st World country

Parts of the West Bank are 2nd World, parts virtually 3rd World. I'm not sure about the Gaza strip, having never been there.

Two groups in the mix that will always keep this going:

1. Hamas and sympathizers that won't stop until all of Israel is in the hands of Muslims.
2. Jewish hardliners who won't stop until all of the "Promised Land" is occupied.

Both groups are to blame and both incite the other.

Druze and some (small) groups of Christian and Muslim Arabs living in Israel show that there's hope. It's just a matter of how both groups above can be removed from the equation.
 
Was there a systematic plan to eradicate all backs on earth? I must have missed that.
 
zitothebrave said:
By proxy you pretty much lose already but I'll play.

By Hitler planning to kill the Jewish people, Israel can bomb civilians. Got it.

Yet despite 3 centuries of forced slavery and discrimination a black man can't do ****?
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I've never once said that I think what Israel does is right. I just don't criticize it because of the their past.
 
zitothebrave said:
Well one would think that if you don't criticize it you would at least be content with it a little.

I don't think they have it easy. But I don't think we should be supporting them. We're basically by proxy supporting the targeting of civilians.

If we threatened to pull money from them if they didn't sign a true peace treaty, then they'd come to the table.
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Israel is a prosperous country. They could survive without the US's money. The US is "buddy/buddy" with Israel because they share common interests.
 
zitothebrave said:
So if we pull Billions from them they'll be totally fine? Lol.
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Yep, we can't tell them what to do.

So when we can't tell them what to do, what do you think they will do? Muslims are terrified of that equation. THey want us to keep the collar on.

With nukes and a military that is on par with all countries except USA and Russian, no one can really mess with them. If a non muslim state like Russia or China unleash their nukes at Israel, the Middle East will be a glass lake, plus Russia and China would feel their wrath. They already have enough nukes to flatten every muslim country in the world, do you not think that Russia and China are their next targets? Russia and China do not chime in on seriously Israeli conflicts because of that. They might give a token response and that is all, like we do on things that don't deal with us.

Don't be daff. You **** with Israel they will **** you up in return.
 
thethe said:
Israel has an excellent GDP per capital. The economy is strong there.
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And those that surround them, no.

hmmmm................

a 1st country nation surrounded by infidels, heathens and harbingers of hate.

I won't trust an Israeli or jew (scream racism, I don't care, you should know be by now that I am a BLACK racist) but given their history I can understand how they operate. I know they won't strap a bomb to their chest, walk into a school of children and detonate it.
 
zitothebrave said:
Perhaps because of 'Murica

Look at who Israel's main export partner.
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No.

The MUSLIMS want us to provide for them, especially Saudi Arabia. You don't see the big picture.

We pay them to behave.

If it weren't for us, they would have killed every Palestinian and if you don't think the world would care, they won't. They know each country except Russia, who has a lot of Jews in high places or China would not do a thing about it. Iran knows if they mess with Israel, they would take Israel perhaps, but I doubt it, but they know 100 mil Persians will die and along with them every other Middle East country. US pay to protect them that is why Saudi does not say a word as with others. Iran is too chicken**** to even throw barbs at them knowing they have no defense except partially made nukes that would not even land on Israel territory and would hurt Jordan and Syria in the process.

US doesn't need to help Israel at all, they are paying to keep them from killing everyone in the region.
 
It wouldn't surprise me that Saudi Arabia is paying Israel to look the other way.

They hate Iran as much as Israel.
 
Money is extortion to keep them from killing everyone in the region.

Goods are like similar what the Muslims pay for, equal oppurtunity market.

Jews are that the highest places of power in Murica. They ask the Saudis and other countries, say token words but do not **** with us and pay us a fee and we are square.

If it weren't the case, all of Middle East would band together and Zerg them. They tried it and lost and now Israel have nukes, lots of them so they can't do a damn thing.

Bitch all you want, they fvck with Israel on a large scale the attacking country will cease to exist, with or without our help.
 
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