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Something really strange about the hatred for Israel. You can have several hundreds or even thousands killed in wars in other parts of the globe and you don't have riots in Paris nor protests in the streets of London or New York. You don't have the internet in an uproar. You basically get a collective yawn. But let it take place in Israel/Palestine and people go apoplectic. Can someone explain that rationally for me? Why throughout their history do the Jews engender such hatred? Am I just imagining things?
 
BedellBrave said:
Something really strange about the hatred for Israel. You can have several hundreds or even thousands killed in wars in other parts of the globe and you don't have riots in Paris nor protests in the streets of London or New York. You don't have the internet in an uproar. You basically get a collective yawn. But let it take place in Israel/Palestine and people go apoplectic. Can someone explain that rationally for me? Why throughout their history do the Jews engender such hatred? Am I just imagining things?
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they have the mark of Cain
 
BedellBrave said:
Something really strange about the hatred for Israel. You can have several hundreds or even thousands killed in wars in other parts of the globe and you don't have riots in Paris nor protests in the streets of London or New York. You don't have the internet in an uproar. You basically get a collective yawn. But let it take place in Israel/Palestine and people go apoplectic. Can someone explain that rationally for me? Why throughout their history do the Jews engender such hatred? Am I just imagining things?
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Its thousands of years of learned hatred. Its ingrained in the world sadly.
 
BedellBrave said:
Something really strange about the hatred for Israel. You can have several hundreds or even thousands killed in wars in other parts of the globe and you don't have riots in Paris nor protests in the streets of London or New York. You don't have the internet in an uproar. You basically get a collective yawn. But let it take place in Israel/Palestine and people go apoplectic. Can someone explain that rationally for me? Why throughout their history do the Jews engender such hatred? Am I just imagining things?
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Israel is a western-created state full of western emigrants, funded and politically supported by western powers, and (rightly or wrongly) perceived as culturally western. There are many, many families that have members in both Israel and in the West. I think it should be fairly obvious why people in the west take more interest in this conflict than in others: we are extremely connected to them.

I think people in this thread who repeat the refrain that "it's because people always hate the Jews" are being lazy. Yes, some people do hate Jews; some people hate Israel for that reason. That is not reason (most) people protest against Israel. It is certainly not the reason that a number of actual Jewish folks are criticizing Israel's actions. Do you really think Zito takes his position because he is an Anti-Semite... come on...
 
Metaphysicist said:
Israel is a western-created state full of western emigrants, funded and politically supported by western powers, and (rightly or wrongly) perceived as culturally western. There are many, many families that have members in both Israel and in the West. I think it should be fairly obvious why people in the west take more interest in this conflict than in others: we are extremely connected to them.

I think people in this thread who repeat the refrain that "it's because people always hate the Jews" are being lazy. Yes, some people do hate Jews; some people hate Israel for that reason. That is not reason (most) people protest against Israel. It is certainly not the reason that a number of actual Jewish folks are criticizing Israel's actions. Do you really think Zito takes his position because he is an Anti-Semite... come on...
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History tells us that it is in fact a majority of the population hates Jews because they are anti-Semites. Its very easy to jump on that hate bandwagon. Dismiss it all you want but history proves that your statement is inaccurate.
 
thethe said:
History tells us that it is in fact a majority of the population hates Jews because they are anti-Semites. Its very easy to jump on that hate bandwagon. Dismiss it all you want but history proves that your statement is inaccurate.
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You dare defy the smartest person on this board?
 
Metaphysicist said:
Israel is a western-created state full of western emigrants, funded and politically supported by western powers, and (rightly or wrongly) perceived as culturally western. There are many, many families that have members in both Israel and in the West. I think it should be fairly obvious why people in the west take more interest in this conflict than in others: we are extremely connected to them.

I think people in this thread who repeat the refrain that "it's because people always hate the Jews" are being lazy. Yes, some people do hate Jews; some people hate Israel for that reason. That is not reason (most) people protest against Israel. It is certainly not the reason that a number of actual Jewish folks are criticizing Israel's actions. Do you really think Zito takes his position because he is an Anti-Semite... come on...
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I don't think Zito is an anti-Semite. His stance in this thread was more of an ' ill informed, I have no clue WtF I am talking about, so I'll say something stupid'.

I can see why Israel wouldn't be welcomed in that part of the world but there's no reason for a westerner to hate on israel trying to defend themselves
 
AerchAngel said:
You dare defy the smartest person on this board?
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I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I will ever come close to win a debate with Meta. However, to make a statement that most people aren't anti-Semites ignores the fact how easily people have turned against the Jews historically.
 
thethe said:
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I will ever come close to win a debate with Meta. However, to make a statement that most people aren't anti-Semites ignores the fact how easily people have turned against the Jews historically.
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You just made Meta's head bigger now with that remark.
 
I think one can be sympathetic to the plight of the Jews and still be disappointed in the state of Israel. I always laugh when the charges of political correctness are bandied about and this situation is one where as soon as anyone says anything even remotely negative about something Israel as done, some people start screaming "Anti-Semitism!"

Anti-Semitism does exist and it is virulent. There is no question about that. I don't know if thethe's characterization that a majority of people are anti-Semitic or not.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think one can be sympathetic to the plight of the Jews and still be disappointed in the state of Israel. I always laugh when the charges of political correctness are bandied about and this situation is one where as soon as anyone says anything even remotely negative about something Israel as done, some people start screaming "Anti-Semitism!"

Anti-Semitism does exist and it is virulent. There is no question about that. I don't know if thethe's characterization that a majority of people are anti-Semitic or not.
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My belief is based upon historical president and my own life experience. I'm not even a practicing Jew and I still got unbelievably large amounts of irrational hatred from people growing up. Now, I'm in a field where a larger percentage of the workforce is Jewish so its not there anymore thankfully.
 
thethe said:
My belief is based upon historical president and my own life experience. I'm not even a practicing Jew and I still got unbelievably large amounts of irrational hatred from people growing up. Now, I'm in a field where a larger percentage of the workforce is Jewish so its not there anymore thankfully.
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I didn't know that. Kind of hard to keep that from people because they will automatically judge you, which is a shame. A Jew is a Jew and they are just another person to me. I never had an issue when them and have three at work and we talk about their synagogues and practices all the time. Unique yes, but way different, no.
 
I've always considered Jews to be in the same class as 'Rednecks' and overweight people in the sense that the left and liberals find it acceptable to let people make jokes about them, hate them and talk crap about them with no consequences.

But god forbid you say anything negative about Muslims, gays, or blacks in any kind of way.
 
Krgrecw said:
I've always considered Jews to be in the same class as 'Rednecks' in the sense that the left and liberals find it acceptable to let people make jokes about them, hate them and talk crap about them with no consequences.

But god forbid you say anything negative about Muslims, gays, or blacks in any kind of way.
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Yes, I know what you are saying. I find it here as well, kind of showing their intelligence when doing it. When I see a Jew blow themselves up to kill a bunch of children in the name of religion is when they are on my hate list.
 
I'll come back to the responses to my query later. But let me say that Hillary knocks it out of the park with this interview with John Stewart. I mean dang! Link
 
Metaphysicist said:
Israel is a western-created state full of western emigrants, funded and politically supported by western powers, and (rightly or wrongly) perceived as culturally western. There are many, many families that have members in both Israel and in the West. I think it should be fairly obvious why people in the west take more interest in this conflict than in others: we are extremely connected to them.

I think people in this thread who repeat the refrain that "it's because people always hate the Jews" are being lazy. Yes, some people do hate Jews; some people hate Israel for that reason. That is not reason (most) people protest against Israel. It is certainly not the reason that a number of actual Jewish folks are criticizing Israel's actions. Do you really think Zito takes his position because he is an Anti-Semite... come on...
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So much here to argue with. Lord willing, I'll return.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think one can be sympathetic to the plight of the Jews and still be disappointed in the state of Israel. I always laugh when the charges of political correctness are bandied about and this situation is one where as soon as anyone says anything even remotely negative about something Israel as done, some people start screaming "Anti-Semitism!"

Anti-Semitism does exist and it is virulent. There is no question about that. I don't know if thethe's characterization that a majority of people are anti-Semitic or not.
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My point isn't about someone saying something remotely negative about Israel - I say things negative about Israel. No, this is something deeper. It runs deeper. It is darker. More later...
 
thethe said:
History tells us that it is in fact a majority of the population hates Jews because they are anti-Semites.
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How does "history" make this true in the present day? No one would argue that Jews haven't been persecuted throughout history; of course they have. No one is arguing that there aren't anti-Semites today. But this isn't 1760. This isn't 1932. This is like 2009 or something. Claiming that the majority of people are anti-Semites is pretty out there. I'd be very interested in your explanation on this.
 
Krgrecw said:
I've always considered Jews to be in the same class as 'Rednecks' and overweight people in the sense that the left and liberals find it acceptable to let people make jokes about them, hate them and talk crap about them with no consequences.
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A large portion of Jews are self-identified liberals, much larger than any particular Christian denomination. I don't see this at all.
 
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