At this point, I would just be happy with getting there.
But, really the Giants would be the ones getting screwed if we happen to go in there and win. They're 4 games better than us. It would mirror what the Cardinals did to us in 2012.
It's sad...
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At this point, I would just be happy with getting there.
But, really the Giants would be the ones getting screwed if we happen to go in there and win. They're 4 games better than us. It would mirror what the Cardinals did to us in 2012.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
That is just too ironic not to happen. Except I think it will be Harang. Harang will pitch 6 innings leaving in a tie game. Then comes David Carpenter for the 7th. I think you know how that ends.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Really, the whole baseball season has been pretty unremarkable. There are some races going down to the wire, but none of it has been that intriguing.
The only really good story in baseball this year is Kansas City potentially taking the division from Detroit.
Toronto choked, Baltimore is going to win the east and that's great. It's also great that no NYY or BoSox in playoffs.
Oakland was a great story, now they've collapsed like us and really have a slim chance of winning the division from LAA.
NL Central has been underwhelming, and the media blowing the Dodgers has made the NL West extremely meh. Then factor in the mediocrity of the NL East and you have one of the most underwhelming in excitement seasons in MLB in recent history.
Toronto choked, Baltimore is going to win the east and that's great. It's also great that no NYY or BoSox in playoffs.
Oakland was a great story, now they've collapsed like us and really have a slim chance of winning the division from LAA.
NL Central has been underwhelming, and the media blowing the Dodgers has made the NL West extremely meh. Then factor in the mediocrity of the NL East and you have one of the most underwhelming in excitement seasons in MLB in recent history.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I think the "stories" of this year are largely negative. How did the Sox go from first to worst? How is it the Rangers went from winning 90+ games to the worst record in baseball,
The NL is super mediocre aside from the Nats and Dodgers. The Braves, Giants, Cardinals, Brewers, Pirates, and Marlins are all basically equivalent in talent, There are 7 teams currently "out" of the playoff picture (not counting our tie with Milwaukee) with a WC E# of 10+ And Pittsburgh is dead even in the loss column to us and Milwaukee.
The NL is super mediocre aside from the Nats and Dodgers. The Braves, Giants, Cardinals, Brewers, Pirates, and Marlins are all basically equivalent in talent, There are 7 teams currently "out" of the playoff picture (not counting our tie with Milwaukee) with a WC E# of 10+ And Pittsburgh is dead even in the loss column to us and Milwaukee.
Wouldn't be great for ratings or MLB, but I think a Kansas City/Oakland/Baltimore ALCS would be great for the game... in the same way I think an Atlanta-Nationals NLCS would be great for us. 
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I would almost bet that the Royals will tank.
Royals offensively have 3 players above the average line in wRC+ Gordon (128) Perez (102) and Cain (101) even Butler and Hosmer their supposed mashers are below that mark. Pitching has been excellent, Shields, Vargas, Duffy, Ventura, and Davis have all been exceptional. Tigers though are offensive juggernauts, Miggy, V-Mart, and JD Martinez are all hitting over Gordon, And for their above avergae hitters on the year add in when he was there Jackson, Kinsler, and Hunter. And it's not like Detroit's pitching has sucked either, Scherzer, Sanchez and Porcello are very strong, Verlander's peripherals have been solid, Price's peripherals have been dominant, their pen though leaves much to be desired. What's seemingly seperating those 2 is luck. Which I think the Royals focus on defense and baserunning can play a part in that. According to Fangraphs, the ROyals have the best defense in the AL. 4th best in the majors. Offensively they're horrible. Even with the DH they're barely ahead of us and the Mets.
Royals offensively have 3 players above the average line in wRC+ Gordon (128) Perez (102) and Cain (101) even Butler and Hosmer their supposed mashers are below that mark. Pitching has been excellent, Shields, Vargas, Duffy, Ventura, and Davis have all been exceptional. Tigers though are offensive juggernauts, Miggy, V-Mart, and JD Martinez are all hitting over Gordon, And for their above avergae hitters on the year add in when he was there Jackson, Kinsler, and Hunter. And it's not like Detroit's pitching has sucked either, Scherzer, Sanchez and Porcello are very strong, Verlander's peripherals have been solid, Price's peripherals have been dominant, their pen though leaves much to be desired. What's seemingly seperating those 2 is luck. Which I think the Royals focus on defense and baserunning can play a part in that. According to Fangraphs, the ROyals have the best defense in the AL. 4th best in the majors. Offensively they're horrible. Even with the DH they're barely ahead of us and the Mets.
bravesnumberone
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Nailed it. People outside of baseball and in the NFL/NBA worship machine aren't interested in a Kansas City-Baltimore ALCS like they would be Yankees-Red Sox.
If they magically win their division, is this another case of a Bobby disciple over achieving like Fredi?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Fredi hasn't overachieved anything. He's got arguably the most talented team in the NL since he took over. People would kill for Jason, Justin, Freddie, etc.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
That's what I'm saying. People say this team simply isn't good and that simply isn't true. This team is good, but between bad management and and a few players (Simmons, CJoh, BJ) playing like crap, it's killing us. The difference is that the team did what they needed the last couple years and they haven't this year.
96 wins last year... the theme was "the team won 96 in spite of Fredi". So if Fredi was only predicted to win about 88-90 wins with his managing then 96 wins is definitely overachieving. And I would say he did overachieve all things considered last year: BJ and Uggla having two historically bad seasons, losing Hudson, losing Venters, O'Flaherty, Beachy, and then Walden for a while. McCann not starting the season and then going missing offensively for the last 2 months of the season, Justin only being great for 2 months, Heyward out for 6 weeks, Freeman on the DL unnecessarily for a while. Elliot Johnson.
So yeah.
bravesnumberone
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Braves winning 96 last year was a product of some guys overachieving and an incredible bullpen that won us a lot of close games.
Braves will fail to win 90 games this year, mostly because of some players either underachieving or coming back down, whatever you want to call it, and the bullpen being more pedestrian through some stretches. We also have a terrible bench. I guess it was bad last year, too, but I can't remember being quite this awful.
Fredi's still the same dude. Makes some unbelievably bad in-game decisions and crafts some bad lineups. I think he's done a much better job with his starting pitchers this year. Losing Mac, CJ being a SVOD against righties, Simmons being a SVOD in general and BJ being 50 feet below a SVOD has limited Fredi.
Braves will fail to win 90 games this year, mostly because of some players either underachieving or coming back down, whatever you want to call it, and the bullpen being more pedestrian through some stretches. We also have a terrible bench. I guess it was bad last year, too, but I can't remember being quite this awful.
Fredi's still the same dude. Makes some unbelievably bad in-game decisions and crafts some bad lineups. I think he's done a much better job with his starting pitchers this year. Losing Mac, CJ being a SVOD against righties, Simmons being a SVOD in general and BJ being 50 feet below a SVOD has limited Fredi.
Do you run me or my life?! I can watch whatever I want smh! Are you 10 or something?!
Both of you calm down... I think he's just frustrated at all the other frustrated people on here, in the end everyone's just frustrated with our team and some handle the losses and adversity different than other fans.
stpeteirish
Called Up to the Major Leagues
If this team makes the playoffs they will be eliminated in one game, probably a shutout. They can't hit.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
We won 96 games cause the NL East was terrible. Braves went 47-29 against the NL East. 19-14 against each of the other 2 divisions and 11-9 vs the AL.
This year we're at 10th in the NL in wRC+ and and 14th in runs scored. Last year we were 3rd in the NL in wRC+ and 4th in runs, year before 10th and 7th, year before 10th and 10th. So basically we've fell short of run expectations 2 out of 4 years. And hell all of them after Chipper left.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I never thought I would see the day someone criticize a team for beating up their division rivals. What's next, we only win on days that end with y?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Not ragging on them for doing it. But this year the NL East is tougher, and it's showing quite obviously.
Most talented team in the analysis, DA Fuq? They have 2 great hitters, a good one in Gattis (who can't stay in lineup), a pn a over average hitter, and 4 auto outs. Plus a rotation full of mid 3 ERA guys.
Compare talent for talent with LA, Wash, Mil, Pit, Stl